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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The five note sequence in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Years ago I heard that the way music works is that Middle C is 256 Hertz.<br />Later I think it changed to A is 440 Hertz.</p></blockquote></div><p>Please see: <a href="https://www.binauralbeatsmeditation.com/432-hz-truth-behind-natures-frequency">https://www.binauralbeatsmeditation.com … -frequency</a></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So, does what Geoff wrote mean that, say, middle C is a different frequency on a clarinet than on a bassoon?</p></blockquote></div><p>No, middle C is middle C (256 Hz or 261.62 Hz, or whatever).</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A fourth and a fifth in music seemed to be different from a fourth and a fifth in mathematics, but maybe I was missing something.</p></blockquote></div><p>The interval from middle C to the G above it (C-D-E-F-G) is a fifth; i.e. a sequence of five consecutive notes.</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The five note sequence in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t know which instruments are being played here, but while you can play the same notes on say a clarinet, and a bassoon, the bassoon plays them in a lower register.</p></blockquote></div><p>Years ago I heard that the way music works is that Middle C is 256 Hertz.</p><p>Later I think it changed to A is 440 Hertz.</p><p>If I remember correctly, 440 Hertz was the tone broadcast on at least some television channels a while after close down so as to remind people to turn off the television set, which is practice meant that the tone woke up a person who had gone to sleep in an armchair while watching television.</p><p>So, does what Geoff wrote mean that, say, middle C is a different frequency on a clarinet than on a bassoon?</p><p>Something that has puzzled me about music.</p><p>Is that 440 Hertz a more or less arbitrary standard, chosen rather than being like, say, whether a certain number is or is not a prime number?</p><p>I can easily imagine that an octave is a natural phenomenon that is applied in music.</p><p>However, is there a reason why there are a certain number of notes in an octave, rather than some other number, and why the black notes on a piano are some of them and not others?</p><p>I remember from school that a lady music teacher would say about fourths and fifths and demonstrate with a piano.</p><p>She used to give us tests where she would play two notes and we had to write down the, I think she might have called it the interval.</p><p>A fourth and a fifth in music seemed to be different from a fourth and a fifth in mathematics, but maybe I was missing something.</p><p>Is it that, like for some people red and green look the same, that for some people it is not possible to distinguish those distances between notes?</p><p>I can usually tell that one note is a higher pitch than another, but that is about it. I don&#039;t think that I can detect that something is an octave in difference.</p><p>Maybe to some (most?) people, the difference between a fourth and a fifth is as obvious as the difference of red and green is to me.</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t know which instruments are being played here, but while you can play the same notes on say a clarinet, and a bassoon, the bassoon plays them in a lower register.</p></blockquote></div><p>According to the Wikipedia article, the notes are played on an ARP 2500 (monophonic synthesizer).</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know which instruments are being played here, but while you can play the same notes on say a clarinet, and a bassoon, the bassoon plays them in a lower register.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thank you.</p></blockquote></div><p>You’re welcome.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>What is a register please?</p></blockquote></div><p>The term “register” as applied to music can refer to various things, but in the present context I’m essentially talking about pitch.</p><p>Listening again to the clip on the Wikipedia page, I find that I misspoke. I had asserted that “the entire sequence” is shifted to a lower register, but actually only the last two notes of the repeated phrase are at a lower pitch than the original; the first three are exactly the same as before.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p><p>What is a register please?</p><p>Is that shifting to a lower register part of the movie? If so, is that of some significance?</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> I am puzzled as to why the audio file, when played, has two five note sequences, when the notation has five notes.</p><p>I am not very good at all with musical note identification but the sequences sound different from each other to me.</p></blockquote></div><p>They sound different because they are! The first one is as written on the stave in the article; the intervals in the second one are the same, but the entire sequence is shifted to a lower register.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I saw the movie on television a long time ago.</p><p>Apparently there is more to it than just five musical notes used in a movie.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Encounters_of_the_Third_Kind#Music">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Enc … Kind#Music</a></p><p>I am puzzled as to why the audio file, when played, has two five note sequences, when the notation has five notes.</p><p>I am not very good at all with musical note identification but the sequences sound different from each other to me.</p><p>I have found this.</p><p><a href="https://www.ars-nova.com/Theory%20Q&amp;A/Q35.html">https://www.ars-nova.com/Theory%20Q&amp;A/Q35.html</a></p><p>The following is very interesting.</p><p><a href="https://musictales.club/article/five-tones-spielbergs-alien-language">https://musictales.club/article/five-to … n-language</a></p><p>There is menrtion of the Kodaly system of which I have never known before. If it was mentioned in the movie I did not notice it.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kod%C3%A1ly_method">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kod%C3%A1ly_method</a></p><p>Searching for</p><p>Kodaly method</p><p>on YouTube provides lots of links.</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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