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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don’t believe anyone has suggested that it’s either of those two things!</p></blockquote></div><p>William seems offended by it. It wasn&#039;t meant to.</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jackneve wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In the context, KISS is in no way scatological or obscene.</p></blockquote></div><p>I don’t believe anyone has suggested that it’s either of those two things! <span class="postimg"><img src="https://punster.me/images/ohmy.gif" alt="https://punster.me/images/ohmy.gif" /></span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How about changing<br />Include<br />to<br />On including<br />please?<br />Still shorter than my original suggestion but removing the imperative of ordering someone to do it.</p></blockquote></div><p>On reflection, I wonder if ‘Include’ here isn’t really just shorthand for ‘To include’, rather than being an imperative. That aside, I see nothing wrong with changing ‘Include’ to ‘Including’.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you.</p><p>William</p></blockquote></div><p>You’re welcome.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>In the context, KISS is in no way scatological or obscene. It may be offensive only to the poor recipient of the advice being told his work is over elaborate.</p><p>It is widely used in the engineering world, and is a useful maxim for everyone trying to communicate. It is often used when a complicated solution has been found to a problem, and the resulting thing or process maybe exceeds the constraints available.<br />Surely, in the example<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>On the possibility of producing a greetings card that displays the text of an original poem</p></blockquote></div><p>is unnecessarily verbose, and the essence of the title is contained in the suggested&nbsp; </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Include a poem in a greetings card.</p></blockquote></div><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;with no diminution of meaning except the unnecessary&nbsp; &quot;original.&quot;</p><p>It has limited application in the literary world, where style is significant.</p><p>BTW I believe it means Keep It Simple Stupid, not the other way round.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How about changing<br />Include<br />to<br />On including<br />please?<br />Still shorter than my original suggestion but removing the imperative of ordering someone to do it.</p></blockquote></div><p>On reflection, I wonder if ‘Include’ here isn’t really just shorthand for ‘To include’, rather than being an imperative. That aside, I see nothing wrong with changing ‘Include’ to ‘Including’.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you.</p><p>William</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How about changing<br />Include<br />to<br />On including<br />please?<br />Still shorter than my original suggestion but removing the imperative of ordering someone to do it.</p></blockquote></div><p>On reflection, I wonder if ‘Include’ here isn’t really just shorthand for ‘To include’, rather than being an imperative. That aside, I see nothing wrong with changing ‘Include’ to ‘Including’.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>the rudeness accompanying the altered version</p></blockquote></div><p>I believe the KISS acronym is too much of a cliché for most people to read it as rude.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your version uses an imperative verb and the abbreviated title could imply breaching someone&#039;s copyright.</p></blockquote></div><p>I don’t think the imperative mood implies anything that wouldn’t be implied by the use of a gerund, but I take your point about the omission of the word “original” and I’ve edited the topic title accordingly.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you. How about changing</p><p>Include</p><p>to</p><p>On including</p><p>please?</p><p>Still shorter than my original suggestion but removing the imperative of ordering someone to do it.</p><p>William</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>the rudeness accompanying the altered version</p></blockquote></div><p>I believe the KISS acronym is too much of a cliché for most people to read it as rude.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your version uses an imperative verb and the abbreviated title could imply breaching someone&#039;s copyright.</p></blockquote></div><p>I don’t think the imperative mood implies anything that wouldn’t be implied by the use of a gerund, but I take your point about the omission of the word “original” and I’ve edited the topic title accordingly.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 15:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jackneve wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>William:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>On the possibility of producing a greetings card that displays the text of an original poem</p></blockquote></div><p>William can&#039;t you KISS - keep it stupid simple?<br /> A simpler title:<br /><em>Include a poem in a greetings card.</em></p></blockquote></div><p>Ah, but the rudeness accompanying the altered version has curtailed discussion by using offensiveness.</p><p>Your version uses an imperative verb and the abbreviated title could imply breaching someone&#039;s copyright.</p><p>I was most careful in the precision of my wording.</p><p>Your sub-editing has distorted the meaning of my suggested title.</p><p>Hopefully the administrator will use my suggested title rather than the edited lesser version.</p><p>William</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 15:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=318#p318"><strong>William wrote:</strong></a><br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Also, I don&#039;t know whether you would want to do this, but you could if you wish produce a greetings card with the poem on the front, and instead of the greeting inside, your name and the date, then send it to yourself.</p><p>Here is a link to the template.</p><p><a href="https://www.papier.com/portrait-photo-315">https://www.papier.com/portrait-photo-315</a></p><p>The purchaser replaces the image with an image of his or her choice.<br />The purchaser changes the greeting inside to his or her choice. Various fonts are available. For one card I got twenty-one lines of text in Garamond instead of the greeting, namely sixteen lines of a poem, and a description and my name and the month and year, together with space after the poem and before the description.</p><p>Here is the website.</p><p><a href="https://www.papier.com/">https://www.papier.com/</a></p><p>One needs to register to order a card, but it is free and I have made aroud a dozen cards there and sent them to myself and framed them with frames from Tesco delivered with my grocery orders.</p><p>The cards are £3.50 plus 85p postage.</p><p>Nicely printed and a matt finish, so less than twice what a non-customised card of similar quality would cost in the shops.</p><p>One needs to send a jpg file.</p><p>I worked in pixels at 2171 pixels high by 1571 pixels wide at 300 dots per inch; that gives a bit of sideways play.</p><p>The size is, mixed units, 7 inches tall by 5 inches wide, with a 3 millimetre wide bleed area on each edge, though only three of them get chopped off.</p><p>Best to leave a bit of white background space above the text, which I prefer to be typeset in a text frame, not as artistic text, and a bigger bit of white background space below the text.</p><p>The image could just be of text, or there could be coloured decoration too.</p><p>The poem is, including blank lines between verses, twenty-four lines.</p><p>So with space above and below, twenty-four lines needs to fit into about five inches vertically.</p><p>So what point size?</p><p>Electronic type size tends to be meaured as height above the base line rather than overall height as is done with metal type printing.</p><p>So some trying out needed.</p><p>But needing about five lines per inch, so maybe fourteen point or perhaps twelve point.</p><p>Which font? Upright or italic, or a script font?</p><p>Well, that is an author&#039;s choice and depending also what the author has available or could have available after a free download from Google fonts.</p><p>So no suggestion from me so as not to influence the author&#039;s choice.</p><p>William</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 14:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jackneve wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>William:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>On the possibility of producing a greetings card that displays the text of an original poem</p></blockquote></div><p>William can&#039;t you KISS - keep it stupid simple?<br /> A simpler title:<br /><em>Include a poem in a greetings card.</em></p></blockquote></div><p>Perhaps William was trying to keep it literary, like ‘A Dissertation Upon Roast Pig’. <span class="postimg"><img src="https://punster.me/images/phpbb3/smilies/eusa/think.gif" alt="https://punster.me/images/phpbb3/smilies/eusa/think.gif" /></span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 14:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>William:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>On the possibility of producing a greetings card that displays the text of an original poem</p></blockquote></div><p>William can&#039;t you KISS - keep it stupid simple?<br /> A simpler title:<br /><em>Include a poem in a greetings card.</em></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 14:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>jackneve wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I had the notion that we could have a thread devoted to the literary arts - more the literature rather than the mechanism.</p></blockquote></div><p>A good point well made, as they say! I’m afraid I’m all too prone to following a thread where it leads. Perhaps I should split the off-topic posts to a new thread.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, a thread with a title such as</p><p>On the possibility of producing a greetings card that displays the text of an original poem</p><p>and in the first post you could provide a link to the thread that contains Jack&#039;s poem and say that the new thread is a spin-off thread that commenced by moving some posts that were originally made in the poem thread.</p><p>William</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 13:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I worked in pixels at 2171 pixels high by 1571 pixels wide at 300 dots per inch; that gives a bit of sideways play.</p><p>The size is, mixed units, 7 inches tall by 5 inches wide, with a 3 millimetre wide bleed area on each edge, though only three of them get chopped off.</p></blockquote></div><p>If the document size is specified in inches, the standard bleed amount is 1/8 inch: the 3 mm quoted here is the metric equivalent. If you’re adding 1/4 inch to the overall dimensions, that’s 75 pixels at 300 ppi, so the finished size in pixels should be 2175 by 1575.</p><p>However, if you really need a bleed area, you might as well let the program handle the details for you! (Spoiler: You don’t need a bleed area for plain text on a white background.)</p></blockquote></div><p>Well the document for a Papier card is not specified in inches but miliimetres, yet it is the equivalent of 7 inches by 5 inches. A 3 millimetre bleed area is advisable, yet the Papier system is quite tolerant of what is uploaded and will scale and crop if needed. </p><p>The Tesco oak effect frame for a 7 inches by 5 inches photograph that I bought about a year ago is no longer available (but there is a replacement type, though I have not bought any of them), had the aperture in the mount a bit smaller so that a bit of the picture goes behind the mount.</p><p><a href="https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/308622501">https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /308622501</a></p><p>The Papier card mentioned is said to have dimensions of</p><p>127mm x 177.8mm</p><p>However I tend to use the larger frames and have a white area behind the card, so the mount is more like a decorative border.</p><p><a href="https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/308622478">https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /308622478</a></p><p>William</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 10:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Other sources of free fonts are available (e.g. <a href="http://www.dafont.com">DaFont</a> and <a href="http://www.fontspace.com">FontSpace</a>).</p></blockquote></div><p>Here are a few more:</p><p><a href="https://fontlibrary.org/en/catalogue?order=name">Font Library</a></p><p><a href="http://www.fontriver.com">Font River</a></p><p><a href="https://www.fontsquirrel.com">Font Squirrel</a></p><p><a href="https://software.sil.org/fonts/">SIL Font Downloads</a></p><p><a href="http://www.softerviews.org/Fonts.html">SofterViews Fonts</a></p><p><a href="http://www.moorstation.org/typoasis/typoasis1.htm">typOasis</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 10:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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