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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Learning some Dutch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://postimg.cc/JGVhDHcm"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/JGVhDHcm/good-day-in-Dutch.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/JGVhDHcm/good-day-in-Dutch.png" /></span></a></p><p>Please click to enlarge.</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[William]]></name>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Learning some Dutch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I was finding that when to use, to translate from English to Dutch the word &#039;the&#039;, that when to use &#039;de&#039; and when to use &#039;het&#039; was causing me problems sometimes.</p><p>Part of it is that diminutive nouns always use &#039;het&#039;.</p><p><a href="https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&amp;q=difference+between+het+and+de+in+dutch">https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&amp … e+in+dutch</a></p><p>I wondered what is a diminutive noun.</p><p>There is a link on the above page.</p><p>I found this page. Dutch seems to have a lot of them, with some having a meaning not obvious as a diminutive form of the original word.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diminutives_by_language">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d … y_language</a></p><p>A rather nice example is the following.</p><p>&gt; bloem (flower) → bloempje (lit. &quot;small flower&quot;) This is the regularly formed diminutive.<br />&gt; bloem (flower) → bloemetje (lit. also &quot;small flower&quot;, but meaning bouquet).</p><p>I also found the following.</p><p><a href="https://thedutchonlineacademy.com/en/grammar/de-or-het">https://thedutchonlineacademy.com/en/grammar/de-or-het</a></p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-21T19:05:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Learning some Dutch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have now progressed to Unit 2 of the Dutch course.</p><p>Here is the image from the first exercise of the first lesson of Unit 2 of the Dutch course. The Welsh course and the Esperanto course also use the same technique.</p><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/jnj33LFP"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/jnj33LFP/Dutch2.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/jnj33LFP/Dutch2.png" /></span></a></p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-21T16:49:11Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Learning some Dutch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here is an image from an exercise from a lesson. I gathered the image after I had partly completed the exercise so as to show that one clicks on the words to complete the answer. Not all of the words offered are needed in order to complete the answer.</p><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/9DPn8tNv"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/9DPn8tNv/Dutch.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/9DPn8tNv/Dutch.png" /></span></a></p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-21T16:10:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Learning some Dutch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Duolingo method is unlike I have ever seen before. For example, the tortoise.<br />, <br />I have long wanted to learn Dutch. It is not one of the mainstream languages usually offered at evening classes and the like, namely French, German, Spanish, Italian.<br />Yet Dutch is in this song.<br />Nicole - Ein bisschen Frieden - Eurovision de la Chanson - diverse Sprachen - 1982<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoYCTZPjO4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoYCTZPjO4</a><br />I have not studied German very much but I have picked up some from translations of songs.</p></blockquote></div><p>There is, unsurprisingly, a close connection between Dutch and Deutsch.</p><p>The comma on the line after “For example, the tortoise.” looks rather lonely, William! Did you mean to post something else?</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t know why the comma is on that line.</p><p>Possibly lack of effective proof reading before posting?</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-21T13:00:20Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Duolingo method is unlike I have ever seen before. For example, the tortoise.<br />, <br />I have long wanted to learn Dutch. It is not one of the mainstream languages usually offered at evening classes and the like, namely French, German, Spanish, Italian.<br />Yet Dutch is in this song.<br />Nicole - Ein bisschen Frieden - Eurovision de la Chanson - diverse Sprachen - 1982<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoYCTZPjO4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoYCTZPjO4</a><br />I have not studied German very much but I have picked up some from translations of songs.</p></blockquote></div><p>There is, unsurprisingly, a close connection between Dutch and Deutsch.</p><p>The comma on the line after “For example, the tortoise.” looks rather lonely, William! Did you mean to post something else?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-21T09:55:37Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Eating breakfast, with a YouTube mix playing on my computer.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vauo4o-ExoY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vauo4o-ExoY</a> at this moment.</p><p>After breakfast, hopefully at least one lesson of Dutch, to keep my Duolingo streak. The Duolingo streak is a good idea, one lesson each day for about ten to twenty minutes, means, for me at least, that the learning is gradually retained. Each lesson is about fifteen Duolingo pages, and is adapted to how one progresses.</p><p>I will try to post an image from the lesson later.</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-21T08:52:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Learning some Dutch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpjinKrZXs">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpjinKrZXs</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lUfvbvpFY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lUfvbvpFY</a></p><p><a href="https://www.smule.com/song/nicole-een-beetje-vrede-dutch-karaoke-lyrics/773646750_2106352/arrangement">https://www.smule.com/song/nicole-een-b … rrangement</a></p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-20T19:00:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Learning some Dutch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Did you give up on Welsh?</p></blockquote></div><p>No.</p><p>I knew some Esperanto from years ago and I am now revising and extending it. Originally I learned some Esperanto from a book, Teach yourself Esperanto, which I have had since the mid-1960s. I bought the Teach yourself Esperanto-English dictionary in the early 1970s in a large Birmingham bookshop &quot;while I have the chance&quot; as most bookshops did not tend to have the rarer Teach Yourself books. The Duolingo course has sound, which the book does not. I am following the course from the beginning.</p><p>Welsh I am learning from the beginning. I have long wanted to learn Welsh. I tried from a book years ago, but it brought in mutation almost from the beginning and I did not follow it. The Duolingo course is wonderful and has a way of getting going by asking the learner to click on a picture illustrating the meaning of an English word from three available upon which to click, the pictures each accompanied by a word in Welsh. The Duolingo method is unlike I have ever seen before. For example, the tortoise.<br />, <br />I have long wanted to learn Dutch. It is not one of the mainstream languages usually offered at evening classes and the like, namely French, German, Spanish, Italian.</p><p>Yet Dutch is in this song.</p><p>Nicole - Ein bisschen Frieden - Eurovision de la Chanson - diverse Sprachen - 1982</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoYCTZPjO4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoYCTZPjO4</a></p><p>I have not studied German very much but I have picked up some from translations of songs.</p><p>For example, I can sing the following with understanding the meaning, not just sing-a-long but a cappella on my own.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g6bQ6Jug5I">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g6bQ6Jug5I</a></p><p>One of the songwriters also wrote the following.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmT_OldHrA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmT_OldHrA</a></p><p>He is the man sat in front of them at the start and finish. In the full programme Gitti and Erika join him and the presenter at the table and they discuss music</p><p>Here is a song in Dutch.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X22vAmpZSdY.">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X22vAmpZSdY.</a></p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-20T17:41:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Did you give up on Welsh?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-20T16:48:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I completed a few lessons of Dutch on Duolingo this morning after breakfast.</p><p>It is great!</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-20T16:34:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Learning some Dutch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have started to learn some Dutch on Duolingo. I am not yet half way through unit 1.</p><p><a href="https://www.duolingo.com/courses">https://www.duolingo.com/courses</a></p><p>Anyone fancy coming along?</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-06-19T20:32:00Z</updated>
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