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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>After all, a triangle is a rectangle with one side of zero length.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think you mean a quadrilateral.</p></blockquote></div><p>That is indeed what I meant, Geoff, which is why I corrected myself while addressing William’s assertion about the triangle in question being isosceles.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> A rectangle has four 90 degree angles. A quadrilateral could have two 180 degree angles and two zero degree angles. A triangle&#039;s angles always add up to 180 degrees, so it can have two right angles separated by a zero length side, and would appear like this: <strong>______________________</strong>*</p><p>It would be difficult to distinguish it from a triangle with one angle of 180 degrees, and two of zero degrees. However, the former would, of course definitely be an isosceles triangle while the latter may not.</p><p>*<strong>Actually this is the quadrilateral I&#039;ve described, but I bet you didn&#039;t notice!</strong></p></blockquote></div><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://punster.me/images/laugh.gif" alt="https://punster.me/images/laugh.gif" /></span></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>After all, a triangle is a rectangle with one side of zero length.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think you mean a quadrilateral. A rectangle has four 90 degree angles. A quadrilateral could have two 180 degree angles and two zero degree angles. A triangle&#039;s angles always add up to 180 degrees, so it can have two right angles separated by a zero length side, and would appear like this: <strong>______________________</strong>*</p><p>It would be difficult to distinguish it from a triangle with one angle of 180 degrees, and two of zero degrees. However, the former would, of course definitely be an isosceles triangle while the latter may not.</p><p>*Actually this is the quadrilateral I&#039;ve described, but I bet you didn&#039;t notice!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T23:02:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>After all, a triangle is a rectangle with one side of zero length.</p></blockquote></div><p>An isosceles triangle.</p></blockquote></div><p>A rectangle with one side of zero length would be a right-angled triangle. I should, of course, have said a quadrilateral with one side of zero length, which could be isosceles.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Continuing, Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In a similar vein, a pentagon can be regarded as a decagon half of whose sides are of zero length! <span class="postimg"><img src="https://punster.me/images/tongue.gif" alt="https://punster.me/images/tongue.gif" /></span></p></blockquote></div><p>Hmm.</p><p>I wonder what angles are involved for that.</p><p>Please consider too a quadrilateral where the angle between two of the sides is 180 degrees.</p></blockquote></div><p>Please also consider that the sum of the internal angles in a quadrilateral is 360°, but the sum of the internal angles in a triangle is only 180°.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T20:43:53Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>After all, a triangle is a rectangle with one side of zero length.</p></blockquote></div><p>An isoceles triangle.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Continuing, Alfred wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In a similar vein, a pentagon can be regarded as a decagon half of whose sides are of zero length! <span class="postimg"><img src="https://punster.me/images/tongue.gif" alt="https://punster.me/images/tongue.gif" /></span></p></blockquote></div><p>Hmm.</p><p>I wonder what angles are involved for that.</p><p>Please consider too a quadrilateral where the angle between two of the sides is 180 degrees.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T20:30:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Ali wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Which triangle are you referring to?</p></blockquote></div><p>I realized, after I had got the result, that I had in error put &#039;triangle&#039; instead of &#039;rectangle&#039;.</p></blockquote></div><p>Do we actually need all those different names for polygonal variants? After all, a triangle is a rectangle with one side of zero length. In a similar vein, a pentagon can be regarded as a decagon half of whose sides are of zero length! <span class="postimg"><img src="https://punster.me/images/tongue.gif" alt="https://punster.me/images/tongue.gif" /></span></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T15:45:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Ali wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Which triangle are you referring to?</p></blockquote></div><p>I realized, after I had got the result, that I had in error put &#039;triangle&#039; instead of &#039;rectangle&#039;.</p><p>I left it as it had been when the experiment had taken place.</p><p>Being in error is not good, but it is important not to falsify what actually happened in the experiment.</p><p>Here is what Copilot wrote after producing the picture.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Here it is—your Renaissance-inspired landscape is ready {palette emoji redacted}. The composition follows your layout beautifully:</p><p>Foreground (left): A Botticelli-style lady in a flowing red and gold gown, her gaze lifted admiringly toward the sky.</p><p>Middle distance (upper center-right): Leonardo da Vinci’s ornithopter gliding gracefully, its canvas wings catching the light.</p><p>Far distance (lower center-right): The iconic towers of San Gimignano rise above the Tuscan hills, bathed in warm sunlight.</p><p>Click the card above to view or download the image. Let me know if you&#039;d like to adjust any details or explore another scene!</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T15:00:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Ali wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Which triangle are you referring to?</p></blockquote></div><p>The rectangular one, obviously! <span class="postimg"><img src="https://punster.me/images/tongue.gif" alt="https://punster.me/images/tongue.gif" /></span></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T14:50:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The modalities of using Bing Chat AI later Copilot to produce pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/tsv893f4"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/tsv893f4/composition-002.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/tsv893f4/composition-002.png" /></span></a></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Please paint a landscape picture. Please use the file that I have uploaded as a guide to the layout of the composition. Replace the green rectangle with the hilltop town of San Gimigano in the far distance. Replace the blue triangle with Leonardo da Vinci&#039;s flying machine flying in the middle distance. Replace the red rectangle with a lady in the style of Botticelli&#039;s Primavera, in the foreground, looking towards the middle distance, viewing the flying machine admiringly.</p></blockquote></div><br /><br /><br /><br /><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/Hrrdwh4T"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/Hrrdwh4T/Copilot-20251020-123636.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/Hrrdwh4T/Copilot-20251020-123636.png" /></span></a></p></blockquote></div><p>Which triangle are you referring to?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T14:30:16Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>William wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>San Gimigano</p></blockquote></div><p>I presume you meant to type <span style="color: #000080">San Gimig<strong>n</strong>ano</span> as in your earlier prompt.</p><p>Without the <strong>n</strong> before the <strong>a</strong> it would be pronounced</p><p>/san dʒimiˈgaːno/</p><p>instead of</p><p>/san dʒimiɲˈɲaːno/</p><p><a href="https://www.howtopronounce.com/san-gimignano">https://www.howtopronounce.com/san-gimignano</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T14:03:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The modalities of using Bing Chat AI later Copilot to produce pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://postimg.cc/tsv893f4"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/tsv893f4/composition-002.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/tsv893f4/composition-002.png" /></span></a></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Please paint a landscape picture. Please use the file that I have uploaded as a guide to the layout of the composition. Replace the green rectangle with the hilltop town of San Gimigano in the far distance. Replace the blue triangle with Leonardo da Vinci&#039;s flying machine flying in the middle distance. Replace the red rectangle with a lady in the style of Botticelli&#039;s Primavera, in the foreground, looking towards the middle distance, viewing the flying machine admiringly.</p></blockquote></div><br /><br /><br /><br /><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/Hrrdwh4T"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/Hrrdwh4T/Copilot-20251020-123636.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/Hrrdwh4T/Copilot-20251020-123636.png" /></span></a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T11:58:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The modalities of using Bing Chat AI later Copilot to produce pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I tried to find out whether a prompt consisting of a combination of an image and some text would work.</p><br /><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/bSnBT4N5"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/bSnBT4N5/composition-001.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/bSnBT4N5/composition-001.png" /></span></a></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Please paint a landscape picture. Please use the file that I have uploaded as a guide to the layout of the composition. Replace the red rectangle with a lady in the style of Botticelli&#039;s Primavera, looking towards the right of the picture. Replace the blue rectangle with an artist, seated, with a palette and a paint brush, looking to the right of the picture. Replace the green rectangle with an easel with a partially complete picture of San Gimignano.</p></blockquote></div><br /><br /><br /><br /><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/JGRfq2mm"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/JGRfq2mm/Copilot-20251020-120708.png" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/JGRfq2mm/Copilot-20251020-120708.png" /></span></a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-10-20T11:55:20Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have found this template to be good if one wants to use a square picture from Bing Chat AI and get all the detail up to the edge of the picture.</p><p><a href="https://www.papier.com/customise/you-me-15189">https://www.papier.com/customise/you-me-15189</a></p><p>One gets the whole picture with a white border.</p><p>Alternatively, the full field template is good for a square picture if one is willing to lose some of the detail at the edge to being cut off as being in a bleed area.</p><p><a href="https://www.papier.com/customise/square-photo-314">https://www.papier.com/customise/square-photo-314</a></p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2025-04-16T20:43:05Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The picture in the previous post seems to me more like the style in the following painting.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gather_Ye_Rosebuds_While_Ye_May_(Waterhouse_painting_1909)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gather_Ye … ting_1909)</a></p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2024-08-28T21:01:00Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>21:01 Wednesday 28 August 2024</p><p>The computer has been off for a while. Now rebooted.</p><p>Try going back to a simpler prompt, as for the beautiful painting from Tuesday 9 January 2024.</p><p><a href="https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=3876#p3876">https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=3876#p3876</a></p><p>Please produce an original impressionist painting of a lady in a long green dress feeding an okapi.</p><p>I got some pictures but they did not have that impressionist look. More like stills from a 1950s colour movie.</p><p>After trying various things I got some more pictures and this one is the best in my opinion, but it does not seem to me to have that impressionist look.</p><p><a href="https://postimg.cc/H8pdRRjp"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/H8pdRRjp/20f34619-00f4-465a-80f0-c91d202e8bf5.jpg" alt="https://i.postimg.cc/H8pdRRjp/20f34619-00f4-465a-80f0-c91d202e8bf5.jpg" /></span></a></p><p>Along the way I received some adverts for impressionist style prints.</p><p>Also, some links, which I include here.</p><br /><p><a href="https://www.bing.com/search?q=impressionist+paintings">https://www.bing.com/search?q=impressionist+paintings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionism">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionism</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/learn-about-art/guide-to-impressionism">https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/pain … ressionism</a></p><p><a href="https://www.worldhistory.org/collection/153/50-impressionist-paintings-that-changed-art-foreve/">https://www.worldhistory.org/collection … rt-foreve/</a></p><p><a href="https://mymodernmet.com/famous-impressionist-paintings/">https://mymodernmet.com/famous-impressionist-paintings/</a></p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2024-08-28T20:53:55Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Whereas</p><p><a href="https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=4017#p4017">https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=4017#p4017</a></p><p>and</p><p><a href="https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=4018#p4018">https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=4018#p4018</a></p><p>have some beautiful pictures.</p><p>Today, using Bing Chat AI, as before, I tried the prompt</p><p>Please produce an impressionist painting in the style of Pierre-Auguste Renoir of a lady facing forward with long hair flowing loosely down both sides of her body in front of her.</p><p>But the results were a mixture of like modern photographs and some line drawings.</p><p>I tried three times, with a New Topic reset before each attempt.</p><p>I then tried using just the surname Renoir, yet similar results.</p><p>Please produce an impressionist painting in the style of Renoir of a lady facing forward with long hair flowing loosely down both sides of her body in front of her.</p><p>Similar results again.</p><p>So I tried with no artist named, as in the first of the two posts referenced earlier in this post.</p><p>Please produce an impressionist painting of a lady facing forward with long hair flowing loosely down both sides of her body in front of her.</p><p>Still the same.</p><p>So I am wondering why such beautiful impressionist style pictures are not being generated.</p><p>I used a New Topic reset before each attempt.</p><p>I wonder if some change has been made to the system.</p><p>William</p>]]></content>
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