Alfred's Serif Users' Forums — Halls and Black fives

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (Alfred) — Fri, 17 May 2024 09:20:32 +0000

William wrote:

Alfred wrote:
William wrote:
The designer was William Stanier.
That explains the derivation of the name Black Stanier, but not the name Black 5, and I still don’t know why it was changed.
Oh sorry, Alfred, I took your question as meaning why the change from using the name of the designer, I did not pick up that you also wanted to know why the number 5 was used. Though upon rereading now with hindsight, it is clear that you were asking two questions. Had I realized I would have said.
William

Thank you, William. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn’t it!

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (William) — Fri, 17 May 2024 07:52:05 +0000

GB wrote:

Thanks for the confirmation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_4900_Class

Well, Mr Stanier was Works Manager at Swindon when the Hall was introduced, So, at present in this thread it is not clear whether he contributed any input to the design.

William

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (William) — Fri, 17 May 2024 07:45:22 +0000

Alfred wrote:

William wrote:
The designer was William Stanier.
That explains the derivation of the name Black Stanier, but not the name Black 5, and I still don’t know why it was changed.

Oh sorry, Alfred, I took your question as meaning why the change from using the name of the designer, I did not pick up that you also wanted to know why the number 5 was used. Though upon rereading now with hindsight, it is clear that you were asking two questions. Had I realized I would have said.

William

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (Alfred) — Fri, 17 May 2024 05:57:12 +0000

Alfred wrote:

William wrote:
The designer was William Stanier.
That explains the derivation of the name Black Stanier, but not the name Black 5, and I still don’t know why it was changed.

A little searching of the Interwebs tells me that the 5 refers to the power classification.

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (GB) — Thu, 16 May 2024 23:29:30 +0000

Thanks for the confirmation.

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (William) — Thu, 16 May 2024 20:06:19 +0000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stanier

William

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (GB) — Thu, 16 May 2024 19:04:59 +0000

Halls were painted in a green livery like the top express locomotives

Halls were built by the GWR at their Swindon works. The livery nof the Halls was similar to those of Castles, Kings etc. I doubt if Stanier had anything to do with their design.

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (William) — Thu, 16 May 2024 16:14:00 +0000

This is about saving two of the Stanier 8F locomotives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juy2-kwqL-Q

William

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (William) — Thu, 16 May 2024 16:08:00 +0000

Possibly because he designed another locomotive that had black livery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS_Stanier_Class_8F

William

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (Alfred) — Thu, 16 May 2024 15:04:35 +0000

William wrote:

The designer was William Stanier.

That explains the derivation of the name Black Stanier, but not the name Black 5, and I still don’t know why it was changed.

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (William) — Thu, 16 May 2024 13:18:31 +0000

The designer was William Stanier.

William

Re: Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (Alfred) — Thu, 16 May 2024 11:31:48 +0000

I’ve just read that Black Fives were originally known as Black Staniers, but I haven’t found an explanation for the change of name.

Halls and Black fives

null@example.com (William) — Thu, 16 May 2024 11:24:28 +0000

I find it interesting that the Great Western Railway Hall class locomotives and the London Midland & Scottish Black five locomotives were similar, yet the Halls were painted in a green livery like the top express locomotives and each had its own name, yet the Black fives were in a black livery and all but a very few had no name, just a number.

William