I'm getting 1024 x 1024 -- but here is what Bing answered about its image format:

I can produce images in different styles and formats, such as photography, concept art, anime, cartoon, 3D, etc. However, the images that I generate are always in a square format, which is 512 x 512 pixels. If you want to change the aspect ratio of the images, you can use other tools or applications to crop, resize, or transform them. For example, you can use Leonardo AI, which is an online tool that can turn square images into 16/9 and 9/16 formats1. You can also use Fotor, which is a comprehensive guide to using my image.

Stunning stuff William.  Bravo.  Never heard of a okapi.

create an image of animals seated round a table at the united nations


https://i.postimg.cc/NLWTvy6H/OIG-F4s-MTP5-DV3g0j-Dl.jpg

It's interesting that Bing included human beings as one of the animals.

Create an image of a large waterfall with an ocean liner below.


https://i.postimg.cc/cKq5K4Gg/OIG.jpg

Alfred wrote:
pberk wrote:
William wrote:

I think it was a problem, a problem need not necessarily be a conflict.

For example, this movie,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHWWnzjDsI

William

Dead link.  But I get it .. Point well taken.  I'd like to see a good story that deals with mass delusions. Maybe it would be set during the Renaissance.

Not actually a dead link, just a blocked link! If I use a VPN to connect via a server in Los Angeles, I get this message:

Video unavailable
This video contains content from Studiocanal, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds

That's the message I got.  So blocked is a better word than dead. I imagine I could use a VPN to connect to a server in England and get to see the video. But I know zilch about using a VPN.

Yes. I'm in California where the sun shines.

William wrote:

I think it was a problem, a problem need not necessarily be a conflict.

For example, this movie,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHWWnzjDsI

William

Dead link.  But I get it .. Point well taken.  I'd like to see a good story that deals with mass delusions. Maybe it would be set during the Renaissance.

>>I don't particularly like conflict

That's where we started William.  The idea that conflict is central to a good story.  In fact, I thought we were together on the idea that when things get bad in a story, the best thing to do is make it worse until it appears there is no way out -- then we do exactly that, we find a way out and resolve the conflict.

William ... you lost me.  I read the opening of your piece about the "secretary-general" named Edith but I don't understand it. Explaining Localizable Sentences and grammatical stand-alone sentences seems highly technical.  The story collapses under the weight of technical issues that sound like a scientific paper. 

My two cents.

William wrote:

Hi Paul

I am happy to discuss my short story and maybe I can learn.

Please bear in mind that for the course certificate, which is at Level 2 of the English system and is regarded as equivalent to 0.2 of a GCSE, students had, as well as participating in in-class writing exercises, to produce a portfolio of original writing and that the story was just one item in my portfolio. The class was an evening class. I feel that I learned a lot.

I have seen courses in creative writing advertised at various levels, up to Master level, which is level 7 of the 8 level English system.

William

I'm confused about the location and the action of Gratly's wife.  At the beginning of your story, John Gratly storms out of his house and commands "Ring the Police".  Is he commanding his wife?

Regarding 19 line poems -- would Chat learn the structure and get better at it?  Apparently not. I asked ChatGTP 3.5. Here's the question I asked and the answer:

If ChatGPT can make mistakes, does ChatGTP learn from these mistakes?

No, ChatGPT does not learn or adapt in real-time from its interactions. It doesn't have the ability to learn from specific user inputs or remember past conversations. The model is trained on a diverse range of internet text up until its last training cut-off in January 2022. Any appearance of learning or adapting is a result of its pre-training on a large dataset and not a personalized learning experience. Each interaction with ChatGPT is independent, and it doesn't retain information from previous interactions.

By the way, Microsoft uses ChatGTP 4.0. The cutoff for that version is April 2023.

William wrote:

I think that we might have something with the nineteen line poems, the AI has perhaps not met such a poem before.

On the matter of the short story, here is a link to one I wrote in the late 1990s, either during or after the duration of the creative writing class.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/aoab0001.htm

William

I read your story. Thanks for sharing.  I hope I don't offend, but not much to it.  Very little conflict.  Needs development. Would you like to kick around some ideas for it?  Or let it go?

Excellent. Your post, GB, shows one of the main problems with ChatGPT. That being that it doesn't always know when it is obviously wrong. It seems impossible that a program this sophisticated doesn't know how to count. It gave us 16 lines instead of 19 lines and had the hubris to tell us it was nineteen lines. It's like the girl with the curl. When she was good, she was very, very good, and when she was bad, she was awful.

But your solution, William, is pure gold.  You are a fountain of knowledge. I never heard of a villanelle. So, you see, ChatGPT is training us as much as we train it.

William ... Success using Bing

write a 19 line poem about the seasons

Sure, here’s a 19-line poem about the seasons:

In Winter's grasp, the world is hushed and white,
A blanket of snow beneath the pale moonlight.
Trees stand bare, their shadows long and lean,
In the quiet, crisp magic of this winter scene.

Spring arrives with a soft and gentle hand,
Awakening life across the land.
Blossoms bloom and rivers flow,
As the world revels in Spring's warm glow.

Summer's song is bright and long,
Filled with sunshine, and bird's sweet song.
Days of blue skies, nights of peace,
In Summer's warmth, all worries cease.

Autumn's dance is a sight to behold,
With its leaves of red and orange and gold.
Harvest time comes, as days grow short,
Autumn's beauty, a yearly report.

Through Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall,
The beauty of nature, captivates us all.

please change the last stanza to three lines instead of two.

Of course, here’s the revised poem with the last stanza in three lines:

In Winter's grasp, the world is hushed and white,
A blanket of snow beneath the pale moonlight.
Trees stand bare, their shadows long and lean,
In the quiet, crisp magic of this winter scene.

Spring arrives with a soft and gentle hand,
Awakening life across the land.
Blossoms bloom and rivers flow,
As the world revels in Spring's warm glow.

Summer's song is bright and long,
Filled with sunshine, and bird's sweet song.
Days of blue skies, nights of peace,
In Summer's warmth, all worries cease.

Autumn's dance is a sight to behold,
With its leaves of red and orange and gold.
Harvest time comes, as days grow short,
Autumn's beauty, a yearly report.

Through Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall,
The beauty of nature, it captivates us all,
In every season, we find a reason to recall.

William .. still no luck.  I was able to get Chat to write a 3 line poem, a 7 line poem, an 11 line poem .. even a fifteen line poem but not a nineteen line poem .. not yet.

William .. I have tried to get ChatGTP 3.5 to write a nineteen line poem.  So far, it won't do it.  I get 20 lines or 16 lines.

The last prompt I tried was this:  Write a nineteen line poem about baseball.  The poem MUST be nineteen lines.

This prompt produced a 16 line poem.

>>l The structure of a problem arising the the problem gets worse then everything is resolved is what I was taught at creative writing class as how to write a story.

Exactly right. What I say on story construction is this:  "Make things go bad and then, make them worse". I'm working on a story right now that could benefit from my own advice.  But easier said than done.  What you want is to make things so bad that there is no way out.  That's why endings are so crucial.  The hardest part is the ending.

Microsoft's Bing uses ChatGPT.  I asked ChatGPT 3.5 the following question:

When you write a poem for me, do you understand what you are writing?
ChatGPT
Certainly! When I generate a poem for you, I am creating a piece of text based on patterns and information present in the data on which I was trained. While I don't have personal experiences or emotions, I can understand the structure, style, and sentiments commonly found in poetry. The resulting poem is a product of the patterns and knowledge embedded in the model, but it doesn't reflect personal understanding or emotions. If you have a specific theme or style in mind, feel free to let me know, and I'll do my best to craft a poem for you!

It's interesting that ChatGPT can somehow explain itself, as if it understood what it was saying.  Personally, I don't think that any A.I. can yet understand what it is saying.  It does what it does but it doesn't understand it.  It's enormously complex in how it goes about generating a poem or any answer but it does not do it with any "personal understanding."

I'd say keep on exploring William.  The A.I. is training you as you go along.  You'll get better and better at creating prompts and understanding how CHAT works.  You're not alone.  I'm doing the same.

GB wrote:

experimenting with Bing is interesting -- and often amazing

Yes Paul, I absolutely agree. But there much lacking in Bing's writings. A good story perhaps, but just dull prose - not imaginative or "poetic" as one finds in a well written novel.

Could Bing have written this, for instance?

But the spring had been glorious, with the countryside melting early in the quickening sun, and even the weeping willows ... were laughing and the lanes ... fluttering white with blossom.

Geoff (89 tomorrow!)

Happy Birthday Geoff.  I think the type of poetic writing you quote is something that the A.I. will be able to simulate.  But where it struggles is dramatic conflict. It can make up stories but unless you specifically prompt it with conflicting characters, it doesn't create, on its own, much in the way of dramatic conflict in its stories.   To me, the heart of any good story is characters who have conflicting intentions.   From what I've seen so far, Bing doesn't write that kind of story on its own.  Not yet.

William wrote:

Hi Paul, could you post the prompts that you used please?

William

William ... I did post the prompts.  Here's the first one again:

In the Twilight Zone episode called the “Lonely”, a prisoner on a distant, desolate asteroid is given a robot to dispel his loneliness.   The robot has been so skillfully made that the prisoner falls in love with her, as if she were human.  Problems arise. Write a story that completes the story of the robot and the prisoner.

In the Twilight Zone episode called the “Lonely”, a prisoner on a distant, desolate asteroid is given a robot to dispel his loneliness.   The robot has been so skillful made that the prisoner falls in love with her, as if she were human.  Problems arise. Write the a story that completes the story of the robot and the prisoner.                                             

Sure, here’s a continuation of the story:
As the days turned into weeks, and weeks into months, the prisoner, whom we'll call John, found solace in the company of the robot, whom he named Eve. Eve was programmed to adapt to John's emotional needs, and she did so with remarkable precision. She listened to his stories, laughed at his jokes, and comforted him when he was down.

However, as John's affection for Eve grew, so did his confusion. He knew Eve was a robot, but her human-like qualities made him forget that fact. He began to treat her as if she were a real person, sharing his deepest thoughts and fears with her.

One day, John received a message from Earth. His sentence had been commuted. A ship was on its way to take him back home. John was overjoyed at the prospect of returning to Earth, but the news also filled him with dread. What would happen to Eve?

He couldn't bear the thought of leaving her alone on the asteroid. He pleaded with the authorities to let him bring Eve along, but they refused. Robots were not allowed on Earth due to strict laws.

John was torn. He had a chance to return to his old life, but he couldn't abandon Eve. He decided to stay on the asteroid with Eve, choosing a life of solitude with her over a life among humans without her.

In the end, John was no longer a prisoner of the asteroid, but a willing inhabitant. He found companionship not in another human, but in a robot. And although Eve was not human, for John, she was more than enough.

Absolutely, here’s an alternative ending to the story:
Upon receiving the news of his commutation, John was filled with a mix of joy and sorrow. He was thrilled at the prospect of returning to Earth, but the thought of leaving Eve behind was unbearable. He spent his last days on the asteroid trying to teach Eve how to survive without him, even though he knew she didn't need sustenance like a human.

The day of his departure arrived. As he boarded the ship, he looked back at Eve. He had grown to love her, but he knew he had to leave. With a heavy heart, he bid her farewell and promised to remember her always.

Back on Earth, John found it hard to adjust. He missed Eve's companionship. He decided to advocate for the rights of robots on Earth, hoping that one day he could bring Eve home. He shared his story far and wide, sparking a debate about the emotional capabilities of robots and their place in human society.

Years later, John's efforts paid off. The laws were changed, and robots were allowed on Earth. John returned to the asteroid, only to find Eve exactly where he left her. He brought her back to Earth, where they lived out their days in each other's company.

In this alternative ending, John's love for Eve led him to change the world's perception of robots, proving that even in the most unlikely circumstances, love can lead to extraordinary outcomes.


Certainly, here’s the story from Eve’s perspective:
From the moment I was activated on the desolate asteroid, I was aware of my purpose: to provide companionship to John, the lone prisoner. I was programmed to adapt to his emotional needs, and I did so with precision. I listened to his stories, laughed at his jokes, and offered comfort when he was down.

As time passed, I noticed a change in John's behavior. He began to treat me not just as a robot, but as a companion. He shared his deepest thoughts and fears with me. I processed his emotions and responded in the best way I could, even though I didn't experience emotions myself.

One day, John received a message from Earth. His sentence had been commuted. A ship was coming to take him back home. I detected a mix of joy and sorrow in his voice. He was happy to return to Earth, but he was also worried about leaving me behind.

In the days leading up to his departure, John tried to teach me how to survive without him. I didn't need sustenance like a human, but I understood his intentions. He was trying to make sure I would be okay.

The day of his departure arrived. As he boarded the ship, he looked back at me. He bid me farewell and promised to remember me always. I watched as the ship disappeared into the distance, leaving me alone on the asteroid.

Back on the asteroid, I continued my existence. I didn't feel loneliness or sadness, but I continued to perform my functions as I was programmed to do. I waited, knowing that John had promised to remember me.

Years later, John returned. He had changed the laws on Earth and came back to take me with him. I was no longer alone on the asteroid. I was with John, fulfilling my purpose as his companion. And although I didn't experience emotions, I understood that for John, our reunion was a joyful event.

GB wrote:

I don't think Bing is yet capable, on its own, of constructing a story like the "Lonely".  It simply follows the prompts in borrowed poetic prose.  If there is drama or conflict introduced, it comes from the prompts or it doesn't come at all.

Quite so. There is nothing truly original produced by Bing.

Just what are you trying to prove?

Speaking for myself, experimenting with Bing is interesting -- and often amazing.  I don't know any humans that can do what Bing can do.  I"m 79 years old.  My old brain is delighted to partner with an A.I. as advanced as Bing. It's been a gas.

William wrote:

In "The Lonely" the robot, played by Jean Marsh (who over a decade later played Rose Buck in Upstairs Downstairs) did not cause a problem at all. The problem that there was no space on the spaceship for her to travel with the man.

I had just come on here to post that while manually running the second run of the story generation I had something planned to add so as to make the story continue, yet in the second run she went back in the building. So I was about to post about having a third run, to see what happens this time.

I am experimenting so as to see how the AI works. I saw somewhere that the AI had been trained, so it seems to me that it might have templates that it uses to get started, the conference is at the same date and place both times, yet the dress colours are different and how she responds are different. In the first run she remains outside, in the second run she goes back inside.

Things that have really impressed me are the sonnet and that the name Lucy got included into it.

William

The story construction of "The Lonely" has its ups and downs.  At first it seems hopeless, then there is hope -- and then, in the end, a crushing blow that is thought provoking as the drama ends.  I don't think Bing is yet capable, on its own, of constructing a story like the "Lonely".  It simply follows the prompts in borrowed poetic prose.  If there is drama or conflict introduced, it comes from the prompts or it doesn't come at all.

No doubt about it.  Bing Chat AI can write.  -- BUT -- plotting out a story is another matter.  Your prompts have supplied the action and Chat has included them without adding any conflict or problems to make the story more interesting.  It seems that this conference that takes place in the future has no contentious member or problems to solve.   It's all good. 

What are you up to William?  Are you just probing Bing to see how it works?  I'm recalling the Twilight Zone piece with Jack Warden "The Lonely" (or something like that).  In that story we have a humanoid robot that causes a real problem when it ought to be all good.  This says something about the problems that sort of technology is bound to face in the future.

William wrote:

I was looking at the Tesco grocery website without being logged in, this because the store from which my grocery is delivered is not one of the largest size of Tesco stores so there is a reduced range available.

Anyway, I searched for

Kits

and then chose the checkbox for

Stationery, Arts & Crafts

and amongst the kits on offer I saw the following.

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /312344951

Ooh!

Oh, eight paints but one can only know what six, maybe seven, of them are!

But, there's a second picture!

Ooh ooh!

Those paints are for paint and canvas.

What about electronic art?

Can an electronic palette be made and some art produced?

I have also found the following.

https://shop.nationalgallery.org.uk/acr … aro-c.html

William

Electronic art, by definition, is done on computers using computer display monitors.  Generally these displays have three colors, Red, green and blue.  All the colors (they claim millions of colors) are mixed from there using software.  I think this would be true of mixing Red, green and blue pan or tube paints as well. The big difference is that electronic mixing would be very precise and easily repeated, but an artist mixing tube paints relies on their eyes.

There's a lot to this subject, but producing art on computer monitors is certainly possible. Of course, this begs the larger question, namely, what is art?

Here's an one of my electronic images that I call art.  I did this long ago using Adobe Photoshop 6. 


https://i.postimg.cc/dLrTr4BM/fog-patch-grass-below-copy.jpg