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The title stated is as follows.
> AI has drawn a self-portrait for the very first time revealing what it thinks it looks like
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/arts/visual-a … r-AA1wbFQY
Hmm.
However, on Saturday 21 December 2024, that inspired me to prompt Bing Chat AI as follows.
Please paint a self-portrait of yourself.
Four pictures were produced.
Yet i am wondering, is that the AI responding to the prompt as an AI as usual, or did the programmers set that up as an exception in some way?
William
It is not a caption, it is a prompt.
And the word 'impressionist' is being used as an adjective.
But, ... er ... upon looking at some photographs of okapi, it appears that the mane shown in the painting my not be present upon an actual okapi, ... as a genteel way of expressing the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aI_qtYtItI
William
Are pictures produced using generative AI properly described as Art?
There is a discussion in a well-known forum that includes asking about whether pictures produced using generative AI are properly described as Art.
I have produced pictures using generative AI. In fact, using the Bing Chat AI web-based facility, that facility now named Copilot.
To do that I have used a text prompt. Some text prompts are fairly short, some are longer.
I like to think of myself as an artist, yes, a hobbyist artist.
However, that thinking of myself as an artist is not based on having authored text prompts to an AI program.
Though I have sometimes used my knowledge of art, (as an artist?) in the authoring of a prompt to the AI system, such as by mentioning concepts such as golden ratio and rabatment.
As a side issue, I only learned of rabatment fairly recently, that from learning about it from John Kay's book that John kindly linked to in a post in another thread in this forum.
https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=5555#p5555
Consider please the following image, and the prompt that was input to the AI system that resulted in the generation of that picture, and other pictures.
https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=3876#p3876
I chose that one. I have now got a framed print of the picture - I ordered a square, full-field, what is called a photo greetings card, from Papier.com, though using the image output from the AI system rather than a photograph. That had the effect of enlarging the image to fit and using a little from the edges as bleed areas, so losing those little edge parts. I also have a giclée print on a white background at exact size of 1024 pixels by 1024 pixels at 300 dots per inch on a 7 inch by 5 inch piece of archive quality paper and I opine that it looks really good, though I do not purport to be a "recognized" art critic.
So is it art?
Please discuss. Examples and links to examples are welcome in this discussion.
William
It seems odd that the codes are neither in medal order nor in alphabetical order. I wonder what the rationale was for putting bronze and copper before silver but after gold.
But they are not listed as those metals in The Unicode Standard.
Those allocations as metallics are my own ideas.
I chose to list them so as to be in both medal order and symbols on a page order (as in English usage) and that meant that they are not, in practice, in the same order as in The Unicode Standard.
William
I refer to
https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/tr51-27.html#color
I wonder if that could be extended so that four characters from
https://www.unicode.org/chartU+25F1 s/PDF/U25A0.pdf
are used to indicate metallics.
U+25F0 for gold
U+25F3 for silver
U+25F1 for bronze
U+25F2 for copper
Please note that these are not listed here in the same order as in the code chart.
This is so that the small square in these symbols when used as in this suggestion for the metals go in "medal order" like reading words on the page of a book.
William
> Cloche 300 x 400 mm / 11.8 x 15.7 inch
I found this page about traditional paper sizes.
I have found that the paper size 400 millimetres by 300 millimetres is used by some printmakers in England.
It appears to be regarded as a traditional size for paper for drawings and for some frames. Rather than A3, which is a similar size, yet not so long a time a specified size.
Yet it appears to be a French size.
The name Cloche (Bell in English) being because at one time (some of?) the paper of that size had a watermark of a bell.
https://papersdb.com/french/cloche
Yet the metre as a unit of measurement is not that old in terms of art traditions.
I am wondering why this size is used in England.
William
A 2 hours 41 minutes 25 seconds video of President Macron visiting the restored Notre Dame Cathedral on Friday 29 November 2024.
The video is in French with French subtitles.
Following Alfred's post I found that there are English subtitles.
Regarding the Crown of Thorns, there is a sequence in the above video where the place where the Crown of Thorns is now displayed is shown and discussed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs4S5KSPo3A&t=5230s
William
A video entitled as follows.
> 'Crown of Thorns' returns to Paris' restored Notre Dame cathedral for public veneration
A video entitled as follows.
> LIVE: Outside Notre Dame as ‘Crown of Thorns’ is returned to the cathedral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwnOIrk-CI
A video entitled as follows.
> Arrivée de la couronne d’épines à Notre dame
Given the above information, can you work out what the following code is intended to represent please?
Unit, Metre;
-1, -1, 0, MovePen;
1, -1, 0, DrawLine;
1, -1, 2, DrawLine
-1, -1, 2, CloseLoopAndFillWithColour, Blue;
-1, -2, -0.1, Button, Red;
0, -2, -0.1, Button, Blue;
1, -2, -0.1, Button, Green;
A video entitled as follows.
> Visite à l'intérieur de la Cathédrale NOTRE DAME de PARIS enfin ouverte au public - 12 décembre 2024
> How a Robot Hitchhiked Across Canada
I was reading this article
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/lo … r-AA1vF34J
and there is a mention of hitchBOT.
I had not known of hitchBOT previously.
I have found the following wikipedia article about hitchBOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HitchBOT
William
Incidentally, each of the illustrations was produced as A3 size artwork, so that if I decide to get some prints that the artwork is at the right size for big enough yet budget price laser prints.
The artwork is produced using Serif Affinity Designer. The QR code is bit map and imported, everything else is vector and generated in Affinity Designer.
The buttons are each a trapezium, the red button and the green button have both had shear applied to try to produce a perspective-like picture.
The yellow triangle was drawn using the Pen Tool and the positions of the points set using the Node Tool.
William
Too complicated.
Have my later posts and the pictures been helpful?
William
Continuing ...
Can you imagine the view of the augmented reality scene if the red button is clicked eight times, with a click of the blue button after each click of the red button?
William
Here is a graphic that is intended to give an indication of the the effect of clicking the red button eight times, with a click of the blue button between each such click of the red button. The yellow triangle has rotated about its vertical axis by 80 degrees. So the lower vertex of the triangle at the right of the picture has moved nearer the person and the lower vertex of the triangle at the left of the picture has moved further away from the person.
The image is not exact, but hopefully gives a helpful indication.
I am thinking of a button being clicked by the person moving a hand down onto the button, such that the software in the tablet device detects that. That is, a real physical hand of the person is deteted as being in the same place as the "let's pretend" augmented reality button.
William
Continuing ...
Here is a graphic to try to indicate the effect of click the red button, namely rotating the yellow triangle about its vertical axis by ten degrees, clockwise as viewed from above. The diagram is not exact, but hopefully will give a helpful indication of my meaning.
William
Continuing ...
So the screen should display on the tablet sshould look something like the following, showing the gallery wall, the picture with the QR code and the buttons and the triangle.
William
Continuing ...
Here is the example code thus far for this thought experiment.
The code in the QR code is as follows.
U, M;
-1, -1, 0, M;
1, -1, 0, D;
0, -1, 1, F, Y;
-1, -2, -0.1, B, R;
0, -2, -0.1, B, B;
1, -2, -0.1, B, G;
This being a compacted form of the following.
Unit, Metre;
-1, -1, 0, MovePen;
1, -1, 0, DrawLine;
0, -1, 1, CloseLoopAndFillWithColour, Yellow;
-1, -2, -0.1, Button, Red;
0, -2, -0.1, Button, Blue;
1, -2, -0.1, Button, Green;
In those commands that start with three numbers, these are, respectively, x from left to right, y going into the QR code, z going from down to up.
William
Continuing ...
Please imagine that the tablet device has running on it a software application that can read the QR code and if the QR code contains commands that have been devised for this thought experiment then it can obey them.
These commands have the effect of superimposing on the view of the area that comes from the camera, images such as a large coloured button, like a large version of a keyboard key, or a filled yellow triangle, or a filled blue square, or an unfilled triangle where just the edges of a triangle are displayed.
A coloured button is of a preset size.
A triangle or a square is specified by a sequence of commands.
William
Continuing ...
Suppose that the person has a hand held tablet device.
The person is holding the device in a landscape orientation with its camera pointing towards the QR code that is in the picture that is on the wall.
William
Please imagine a person going into an art gallery and now standing facing a white wall, standing about 3 metres (about 10 feet) from the wall..
On the wall there is a picture. The picture is square, each edge about 2 feet, about 60 centimetres, along each edge. The picture consists solely of a large QR code.
William
Official souvenir medal reopening Notre-Dame
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