There is in robotics the concept of "uncanny valley".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

I wonder if that is the same sort of thing that some people are saying about art generated by an AI system.

I wonder if there is some effect that someone more expert in art notices uncanniness features that other people do not.

So, a sort of "almost but not quite" noticeability in the AI generated art that people with expertise in art notice yet other people do not.

I have been looking at John's paintings. I wonder what Bing Chat AI would be capable of producing if it could be trained on John's paintings and were allowed to produce pictures other than square ones and with many more pixels and then they were printed by a business that produces high quality art prints. Perhaps there could be a range of high quality greetings cards, some of John's watercolours and some of an AI's watercolours after being trained on John's watercolours. Yet is this like someone teaching a class about someone else's ideas, not his or her own ideas? Though that teaching can have great value.

That test could possibly be achieved with a little adjustment to the AI software if John gave permission, yet it would need some extra "stuff" of some sort for the AI to even attempt an original picture using watercolour paint on paper made for original watercolour paintings to be painted upon.

I don't know how an artist would feel about an AI system being trained on his or her work, does the artist refute the idea or does the artist write an email to Microsoft or whoever offering that? If attention was drawn to an artist's work as a result, would that be a good result? "You've seen the AI "follower of" art, now please look at the work of the actual artist?

William

John, don't say if you would rather not, but when you wrote "As a professional artist, ..." what do you do please?

For example, do you paint pictures in watercolours and sell them for hundreds of pounds, or do you paint a picture then it is photographed and high quality prints on industrial printing presses are produced and you sign one hundred and they sell for more than unsigned ones, and/or do your pictures have scaled down reproductions printed at high quality and sold as 7 inch by 5 inch greetings cards, or what?

I wonder whether you consider the following art and whether the happiness I got, and continue to get, are the wonderful feeling to which you refer.

On 24 October 2022 I made two A3 size PDF documents.

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … galleries/

In 2023 I uploaded them to the webspace of Viking Virtual Print House and ordered five copies of each printed in colour on 350 gsm paper (which is like thin card) along with other prints from other activity so as to be as cost effective as possible.

So when the prints arrived and I opened the pack I felt great as I saw the big stylish A3 prints. Is that the wonderful feeling to which you refer?

I have got one of each stuck with double sided tape on the panels of an internal door.

Now, there is no freehand drawing in there. There is no paint, blue and black are from the software and the laser printer at the print house. There are no brush strokes. The symbols are my designs and are added from a font that I made using High-Logic FontCreator software, using numerical values to locate points.

The idea to produce those signs are mine. I saw a picture of a text sign in the Musuem of Modern Art in New York (MoMA) in six languages and it inspired me to produce the language-independent sign that could become localized to a specific language in a mobile phone that has appropriate software.

So do you regard that sign as art?

William

Oh my mistake, I had not realized that you were stating what the AI had stated.

I will edit my earlier post to show my mistake.

William

I was referring to when in 1977 I called in to the National Physical Laboratory and asked if they had a Viewdata set and if so could they display page 786 for me please, explaining why I wanted to see it, and I was taken to a building and in the foyer was a Viewdata set and page 786 was displayed and there was my Colour Check design glowing from the screen.

1977 there was an article in Wireless World, a monthly magazine back then, and I wrote to the author, the inventor of Viewdata, Mr Fedida, with an original design for a colour graphic design that I called Colour Check, the design set out on squared paper in black for the letters e and red letters to stand for the control characters and a key beneath explaining format that I had used.

Mr Fedida replied to me and said the graphic had been added into the Viewdata system on page 786.

The design is reconstructed as best I remember it in the following thread.

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … teresting/

I now have a print of that image, framed in an A4 frame.

I do not know whether in some archive somewhere the original Viewdata page is conserved.

William

The ways to get the required outcomes becoming achieved, not necessarily the "usual" ways.

As far as I am aware, the images are not plagiarised, I asked about intellectual property rights and I was informed that the AI is trained on licensed training databases. I was also informed that the paintings are originals as the AI learns the styles of various artists then paints original paintings in that learned style. So "after" as they put it. I am not sure whether they would be called pastiches.

I am not a professional artist, and I value your input.

Please consider the picture in the following post.

https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=3876#p3876

I wrote the prompt.

I am not a professional artist, and I have no training in art appreciation.

Now I like that picture.

Would you like to say what you think of that picture please, I note that you included the word "most" in your comments, so I wonder what you think of that particular picture. No need to diplomatically take into account that I like the picture, I am interested to learn.

As I say I am not a professional artist yet I know what you mean about the wonderful feeling of seeing one's art displayed.

William

https://arnoldgrummer.com/all-about-cotton-linter.html

William

https://www.stcuthbertsmill.com/st-cuth … intmaking/

William

https://www.jacksonsart.com/brands/some … king-paper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassine

William

Earlier today I was doing my Welsh course at Duolingo.com and one of the sentences was as follows.

Mae rhif ffôn Megan yn y swyddfa.

In English,

Megan's phone number is in the office.

As I was doing the Welsh course, I wondered what Bing Chat AI would produce as a picture to illustrate this sentence.

Here is a transcript of what happened when I tried, after finishing today's Welsh lessons.

Please produce an original painting to illustrate Mae rhif ffôn Megan yn y swyddfa.

This prompt was too vague to generate appropriate, high quality images. Please try a longer, more descriptive prompt.

Please produce an original painting to illustrate the sentence Mae rhif ffôn Megan yn y swyddfa.

This prompt was too vague to generate appropriate, high quality images. Please try a longer, more descriptive prompt.

Some of them get produced as prints and each copy sells for hundreds of pounds.

Yet some are reproduced at a reduced size by high quality industrial printing processes as fine art cards, which may but need not be used as greetings cards, and these are often available for around £3 each.

So it is possible to enjoy the art by framing such a card in a frame, I use frames delivered by Tesco with the groceries.

The cards can sometimes be bought direct from the publisher, though I think some sell in boxes of a dozen (perhaps all the same, or maybe a mix) intended for purchase by museum shops and so on.

Here are some links. Not everything is necessarily linocuts.

https://www.art-angels.co.uk/

https://www.art-angels.co.uk/categories/printmakers

https://www.art-angels.co.uk/categories/distribution

https://www.greenpebble.co.uk/

https://www.greenpebble.co.uk/collectio … andprinted

William

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linocut