ErrkaPetti wrote:
Alfred wrote:
Ali wrote:

Ash said early next year, so where did you get 8+ months from?

Eight months from now is the beginning of July, but even the beginning of June isn’t what most people would regard as ‘early’ next year. I wouldn’t expect to be kept waiting beyond March or April.

Whatever, but, isn’t a bad sign that Canva hasn’t developed an iPad version in parallell with the similar MacOS version?

iPad probably has very low prioritize in the Canva roadplan for the future…

I would agree that it isn't a good sign that there is no iPad version yet, but "early" next year would normally be read as Q1.  Though I susspect they don't want to be a hostage to fortune by saying "by the 31st March" just in case it runs late.

Looking at the sort of users Canva attracts I would think an iPad version is a priority. However, they, both Canva and Serif, will be part of the Apple developers program with access to the iPad road map.  So they may well be developing for the next iPad due out in Q1 or Q2 2026

Time will tell but I wonder if they are doing a version for both iPad and other tablets.

dcr wrote:

On my Mac, I am currently running version 2.6.0 for Publisher, Designer and Photo.

I have downloaded both 2.6.4 and 2.6.5 but not installed either.

Is there any consensus on what might be the best or optimal version to use?

I have been running 2.6.4, principally for Publisher on Win 11, also light use of Designer and photo, with no problems so far (I will regret saying that :-)  )

I have down loaded but held off from installing  2.6.5 because the notes say:"We have released a build to try and address a couple of issues found in 2.6.4 and also to make changes to stop the application offering any way to create an account or starting a trial or suggesting that the software can be bought at the end of the trial. Now that version 2.6 is no longer available to buy, the software has stopped offering any way purchase from within the trial.  The build also fixes a number of minor bugs including some for macOS Tahoe regarding regressions that are specific to that environment."

The bug fixes are for mac,  I am on Win 11, and the rest is removing hooks into the Serif account system.  Whilst I would trust Serif I have yet to trust Canva and seeing their direction of travel with affinty.studio I am less inclined to install 2.6.5 until others report no ill effects. Or I start to see problems when Canva start to kill the Serif web site. Already most of the Affinity front end redirects to affinity.studio

Alfred wrote:
dcr wrote:

How did you download 2.6.4?  I only saw 2.6.5 downloads as being available.

Please see my post here.

If they disappear I will upload the Windows 2.6.4 to  a cloud I own and post the link here.

Alfred wrote:

I wouldn’t get too hung up on version numbers! With Serif’s original ‘flagship’ DTP application, PagePlus, PagePlus X2 was version 12 and PagePlus X8 was version 18, but (because of their slower pace of development) WebPlus X8 was version 16 and DrawPlus X8 was version 14.

The important practical point here is that — just as DrawPlus X8 can open files saved from DrawPlus X5 and X6 — Affinity version 3 can open files saved from versions 1 and 2.

I take your point but   The Page Plus development was incremental development of the same app with the same file format that was also incremental to contain the extended features.

In the same way Affinity V2 was an incremental development of V1  and the files were incremental extensions.

affinity-studio is a different single app (from the ground up apparently) with a file format that is completely different to the previous V1 and V2 formats. Not an extended V2 format.

Also the marketing is doing its best to retire Affinity (including the forum and original website) and make affinity-studio a Canva gateway to their subscription system,  as can be seen from comments in some of the social media places. Then again most of the users there seem to be Canva people in the first place.

It was interesting comparing the Canva launch video to similar launches I have been to (Microsoft and ARM, for example)

tonybridge wrote:

'the intention was always to roll the three apps into one eventually.'

Hmmm, I don't remember them telling me that when I coughed up for the three seperate apps...?

Interestingly the legal Serif documentation says that after the Canva buy out Serif refocused the engineering direction which is why there were fewer updates for V2 [than intended].  Basically the new direction came up after Canva took over and 5 of the Serif directors went.

Also Serif sales of licenses were up 30% yet in 4 weeks from an out-of-the-blue offer from Canva they sold the company and most of the directors went. 

BTW If you know any psychologists (or senior detectives) get them to watch the Canva video where it covers affinity-studio.

Twolane wrote:

from v2 to v3 when I used File / Import Content / From Affinity 2...

Small but important point:- affinity.studio is not Affinity V3

I have downloaded BOTH the MSIX and MSI/EXE for all three apps for 2.6.4 and 2.6.5

I am staying on 2.6.4 for a few weeks to see if anyone reports anything adverse from 2.6.5  As  the 2.6.5 release notes say: " We have released a build to try and address a couple of issues found in 2.6.4 and also to make changes to stop the application offering any way to create an account or starting a trial or suggesting that the software can be bought at the end of the trial. Now that version 2.6 is no longer available to buy, the software has stopped offering any way purchase from within the trial"

So given the nature of Canva and the rapid removal of most things Affinity (and redirects to affinity.studio) I do have concerns that Canva like Apple may put built in obsolescence, sunset stuff or Canva adverts.  Don't tell me Serif wouldn't do that sort of thing. It isn't Serif any more, it is Canva.  You won't find out what really happened for a year or two.

Alfred wrote:
JAmedia wrote:

Also, as noted, the change in file format.  It isn't  Affinity V3 format, it is a new Canva format.   Affinity V2 formats were a progression of V1 the new af format is completely different.

Perhaps I’m missing something here — it wouldn’t be the first time! — but I don’t see a substantial difference in practice. Serif Affinity version 1 apps can’t open Serif Affinity version 2 files, and none of the Serif Affinity apps can read the new Canva Affinity format.

Some of the later versions of Serif’s ‘Plus’ applications were patched to enable them to open files saved from even newer versions — so that, for example, version X6 could open files saved from version X8 — but I can’t imagine anything like that happening with the Affinity version 1 or 2 apps.

My point was that the newer versions of the Plus and Affinity apps and incrementally changed file formats because new things were added. Hence, the difficulty in backwards compatibility. It is interesting that Serif did it with some Plus apps, I wonder had we not had Canva but Affinity V3, if they had done that with Affinity?    However, the new .af format is complete new, not an incremental update.   

As Canva has cut off the Affinity forums and website, hence the new affinity studio website on a new URL it is clear they want to distance themselves from V1 and V2, the only way is Canva now. They don't want any backward compatibility with Affinity V1/V2

You can see this with how they are doing the branding, I have seen this before.  Hence, affinty.studio rather than Affinity.   The new affinity is just a sticker on a Canva system. I suspect it will become a-studio over time.

dcr wrote:
Bad_Wolf wrote:

If you don’t need the AI tools, the apps are free — forever.

There is NO guarantee on that.  The apps require Internet activation.  That means that, if the activation servers ever go away, you will not be able to re-activate and use the apps again should you ever need to re-install in the future.

Should that happen, what can open an Affinity v3 file other than Affinity v3?  Not v2.  Not v1.  Not InDesign.  Not Quark.  Not Scribus.  You'd be stuck with a bunch of files you would no longer be able to access and use.

To me, that's an important detail.

I agree with all your comments.  I have a perpetual Adobe CS6 licences that still run. More important, I have an Adobe Lightroom V6.14 perpetual licence. Adobe discontinued this many years ago.  When I needed to install it on a new machine, two years ago, it didn't activate (the old laptop and died so I couldn't deactivate), I called Adobe in the UK and after some being passed around and on hold a bit I got through to the person handling it who reset the installation counter to zero!  This is because I PAID FOR A PERPETUAL LICENCE    So I suspect that if someone has something else obsolete eg Fireworks that they paid for a perpetual licence, Adobe will sort out an activation.

This is why people who were complaining they didn't want a subscription are complaining Canva affinity.studio is free. You don't have a paid perpetual licence that Canva have to respect.  The Free Canva affinity.studio you get has no perpetual licence or sales contract with you. They can do what they like when they like to the app. Including what is in the paid subscription and what is not.

Also, as noted, the change in file format.  It isn't  Affinity V3 format, it is a new Canva format.   Affinity V2 formats were a progression of V1 the new af format is completely different.,

The other thing is the direction of travel. It is not towards the professional end of the market to compete with Adobe, but it is being subsumed into the Canva quagmire. This is the free giveaway to ensnare you in to the Canva subscription family of non-professionals.  Of the 4 sections in the studio one is CANVA AI. (I note that the "layout" part was all but ignored by Canva and Affinity launches).  Also there are the free stock images that are in V2 and I assume studio, how long before you need the base Canva subscription to access them?  These stock images are probably where Serif came up on Canva's radar. 

In fact, I would put money on  affinty.studio, the new branding and what is coming next were all worked out in advance   by Canva before they even spoke to Serif about the buyout. Which apparently happened in a month according to Ash and I can see no reason to doubt this.  For those who have worked in the industry, as I have in both small outfits and large corporates, as well as running my own company, it doesn't happen in a month from out of the blue.  It also helps if you can read company accounts.

This would suggest that Canva had been planning it for some time and gave Serif Directors an offer they couldn't refuse. (I note 5 resigned at the point of take over and the new Company Secretary and CLO is an American resident in Australia) Canva have certainly been planning to go public with an IPO in 2026 and this acquisition of Serif is part of that plan.

BTW I don't blame the Serif Directors for any of this.

There is now also an Affinity Studio section on the form
https://punster.me/serif/viewforum.php?id=22
Which is probably where this discussion should continue?

As it happens, I am married to a Teacher.

My opinion is informed from having worked in the industry for decades, and what happens in schools bears no resemblance. Also, much of what I wrote wasn't opinion it was factual.   That you can put uninformed opinion over facts and experience does not bode well for learning.

As for "Time will tell..." err... time has told and it fits the pattern I described and is on the trajectory I expected. 

So I suggest you relax and learn rather than rigidly sticking to opinion as though it is fact.

Ali wrote:

Serif (which was acquired by Canva) still exists (albeit under the Canva umbrella) and its HQ is still in Nottingham. Affinity is the software that Serif continue to develop, but now for Canva.

There are still people at Serif with whom I worked on the Plus range betas: they and their team deserve a pat on the back and will continue to get my support.

I think the difference between how we see things is that one of us was a teacher and the other has spent several decades in the software and electronics industry and has lived through several take-overs like this before.

Serif does still exist, but the Chief Legal Officer and Company Secretary are now, as of the date of the Serif takeover by Canva, American and reside in Australia. Serif also lost a lot of Directors at the same time.    Much the same as the Serif Group company

BTW in 2024 Serif made a £35,523,814 loss for the year and one person holds 75% of the shares. Which were transferred 4 months after the appointment of the new Secretary.  After the takeover here has been a change of engineering focus at Serif to be in line with Canva.

The sad thing is sales of V2 incenses were up by 30% in 2024...  I think that Serif could have gone on to greater things as a serious professional alternative to Adobe. .

Bad_Wolf wrote:

Thank you for your positive feedback. Affinity really can use that right now.

There is no Affinity. It is Canva. The "Affinity by Canva" website affinity.studio goes to Canva pages for everything. All the T's and C's are Canva. the a or affinity is just a label they stick on this Canva product.

I notice that in Affinity-studio, unlike Affinity V2 the spellings have gone American.

Arte wrote:
JAmedia wrote:

This free studio has, because you have not bought a licence, no obligation to the users. Canva can change it at any time and in any direction, including turning it off..

I disagree on this, before Adobe went all-in on subscription people were notified that they had to upgrade to the latest CS versions to be able to update yearly. Shortly after the deadline they announced there would be no future perpetual CS version, only subscription. Adobe just dropped the entire CS perpetual license despite lots of people having just upgraded to the latest perpetual CS version.

Yes, I have a perpetual CS6 licence and used one of the Apps 2 days ago.  It is a perpetual licence. That is what I paid for. IT was a contract that is legally enforceable.

With the free Affinity Studio there is no licence as such and what there is they can change at will, including stopping the app you currently have.  So, worst case scenario: anyone who uses the Affinity Studio whilst their computer is connected to the internet could find that Canva have decided to remove/disable or change various features and access unless you upgrade to a new paid subscription. It might be a "light" subscription of €1 a month  (€10 a year in advance) but it will be there.   

Remember whilst there are 10's of thousands who hate subscriptions with a passion we tend to be older, and it is a de-facto reality and normality for the youngsters. Adobe did the calculations and are surviving.

The problem is whilst Adobe are still chasing the pro market it is clear Canva isn't  the direction of travel for the Canva Affinity Studio is not into the pro market.

Wag wrote:
JAmedia wrote:

Ali if you want to be a Canva shill flounce off and join their Discord. There are many rational heads here who don't like the way Affinity has gone so you will find the discussion is not to your liking.

Now perhaps we can raise the tone back up to an adult level?


Uncalled for.


You are correct that Ali's comments on flouncing off were uncalled-for, which is why I replied to her using her own language to highlight it.

Alfred wrote:
JAmedia wrote:

Putting all 2 and 1/2 apps in to one is a backward step.   Especially for Publisher users, the "layout" section being barely mentioned in anyone's presentation and it is looking less like an inDesign competitor by the day.

I take that you mean 2½ apps, and I presume you’re calling it that because the last standalone version of Publisher was missing a large amount of expected functionality and there are still huge gaps in that area of the new app.

95% of both presentations concentrated on the bitmap and vector drawing tools.

Ali wrote:

[This is also uncalled for.

I was mirroring your comment of " If they are so damned disaffected, why don't they just flounce off somewhere else as they have been threatening to do ad nauseam for weeks? "

So I suggest you raise your level of discourse or expect to respond to in kind and stop whining when people reply to you in the same tone you use.

Now can we reset and start again an adult level?

Ali wrote:

I am happy. What we have is not very far from what I had imagined it would be.

Whilst the dreadful speculation is over, the angst is only just beginning: Discord is full of disgruntled people who've argued for a whole month leading up to this and are arguing again now and have been since yesterday's launch: they obviously can't be happy, whichever way things go. It beggars belief, quite frankly. If they are so damned disaffected, why don't they just flounce off somewhere else as they have been threatening to do ad nauseam for weeks?

Hopefully the dust will settle soon and the more rational voices will gain more prominence. The world moves on, and nobody is likely to be 100% happy however things play out.


Disappointed in your post.   
Many wanted a V3 Affinity with a perpetual licence and no subscription.
They haven't got that.

This free studio has, because you have not bought a licence, no obligation to the users. Canva can change it at any time and in any direction, including turning it off. IT also has an optional subscription component.

What is more worrying is the market positioning with Canva, they have taken affinity down market to the non-professional Canva market. Adobe will be pleased.  The push is on AI and the Canvas presentation had a lot of users saying they wanted AI and template to effectively do the wok for them.   

Putting all 2 and 1/2 apps in to one is a backward step.   Especially for Publisher users, the "layout" section being barely mentioned in anyone's presentation and it is looking less like an inDesign competitor by the day.

I have been on the inside of several similar buy outs like this Canva-Affinity one  (not I am not naming names as there are NDA's) and I have seen how it works over the years. Hence, my caution for the future.

Ali if you want to be a Canva shill flounce off and join their Discord. There are many rational heads here who don't like the way Affinity has gone so you will find the discussion is not to your liking.

Now perhaps we can raise the tone back up to an adult level?

dcr wrote:

My general feeling is that Affinity is dead.

[snip....]

And I can kind of foresee Affinity by Canva eventually being renamed to Canva Pro or something like that which drops the Affinity name entirely.  They've already de-emphasized the Affinity name by doing away with capitalizing the name in the logo.

Sadly, I have to agree with you.

The whole thing, along with the Canva live stream where Ash had a few moments to talk about Affinity Studio (and nothing about "layout", suggests that Canva are taking Affinity down market. 

Basically, it is a Canva app for non-professionals or non-serious users that is a gateway for the Canva subscriptions. The All-in-one format is not a good move,

Adobe will be breathing a sigh of relief to the day.

On the upside, apparently, we are all "Canvanoughts" now.....

dcr wrote:

Changing "Publisher" to "Layout" might be a good thing.

While I got used to it, I never really liked the Publisher name and that's because Microsoft had already ruined that name.  Before Affinity, if someone said they did something in Publisher, that meant Microsoft Publisher, and I was like, would you rather work with a Publisher file or have dental surgery without anesthetic?  Tough choice.

MS publisher has gone. MS have discontinued it at last.

"layout" is a pointless name. Also, 95% of the Studio discussed was the vector and bit map imaging. and "layout" only mentioned in passing.  So those of us who publish books and magazines know where we stand.  I went from indesign to A-Pub.  I won't be moving to Canva-Affinity studio.

dcr wrote:

Weren't we told they "listened" to us?  Who did they listen to?

It doesn't look like they listened to the Affinity users on the, now closed, Affinity Forum.

Also with a new Affinity website (and new URL) for the new app  I can't see the old forum and web site, along with all the information on it, lasting much longer either.

They did mention both bitmap and vector graphics and that they do vector and bit map graphics with lots of tools for bitmap and vector graphics.....
Most of the time I use Publisher which was barely mentioned in passing.

Most who seemed happy with the way things are going also seemed to be Canva users.

BTW apparently we are all Canvanoughts now.... They aren't aiming at the professional markets, you can hear the sigh if relief from Adobe as Affinity retreats from the field.

I recommend watching the Canva live stream on YT and see what you think of Ash and the bits on Affinity.

I have just watched the whole live CANVA thing.  It is ALL AI and subscriptions for no professionals who need "AI" to do the work for them.

Affinity was a small part of it with Ash there. Didn't look comfortable, to be honest. but then it was like a down market version of an Apple Launch on bad acid.  What I Can see having looked at both the Affinity video and the Canva one is Affinity studio is just another access point to the Canva subscription system.  After the base affinity, it will all be subscriptions. You need a (free) Canva account anyway.

As noted by Ash they had three tools with three different UIs different tools and different processes.  That is because you are doing different things. As noted above, for Publisher most of us want a light UI for page layout,  For photo work a dark UI.   Also, most of us tend to spend 90% of our time in one all.  In my case, publisher.

One amusing thing was Canva are doing "the world's best video editing tool"....It then shows a bunch of people in a domestic situation with phones with the circular lights... You can see their target market. I can't see Blackmagic Design with Resolve, worrying.  In the same way I think Adobe will be breathing a sigh of releif. The Affinity threat to Adobe has gone.

You can't blame the Serif owners. Selling Serif is their pension, they can probably afford to retire now. So no hard feelings.

As I said at the end of the Affinity Forum:  Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish.....

Just watch the simultaneous Canva video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqOzxpWHNA
BTW we are all "Canvanoughts" now.....

This is not for pros or going to compete with Adobe,

So the new Affinity -Canva website https://www.affinity.studio/      Hmmmm

This is a Canva product with a new logo and you need a Canva a account to be involved. the free fonts for V1/2 users is neither here nor there.  There are more free fonts out there than I can use.

I can't see this new Affinity studio, linked to Canva subscriptions, being aimed at the pro or serious armature market. To me, this is going down to a mass market on subscriptions. Perhaps I am a dinosaur but I think there will be a sigh of relief over at Adobe.  I would make sure you have all downloaded V2.6.4  and 2.6.5 (though I am not sure if I trust 2.6.5)

PaoloT wrote:

I don't. I need white background when assembling elements for page layout, and dark background when retouching photos. As a single app, I'm forced to change it every time.
Paolo

I agree.  Page layout in light. Photo work in dark. (for most people)
I work in publisher most of the time  but use photo, on a different screen,  If I need to work on one for the main document.