Johnk wrote:

Perhaps you are referring to art you have produced in a more traditional way.

John

I was referring to when in 1977 I called in to the National Physical Laboratory and asked if they had a Viewdata set and if so could they display page 786 for me please, explaining why I wanted to see it, and I was taken to a building and in the foyer was a Viewdata set and page 786 was displayed and there was my Colour Check design glowing from the screen.

1977 there was an article in Wireless World, a monthly magazine back then, and I wrote to the author, the inventor of Viewdata, Mr Fedida, with an original design for a colour graphic design that I called Colour Check, the design set out on squared paper in black for the letters e and red letters to stand for the control characters and a key beneath explaining format that I had used.

Mr Fedida replied to me and said the graphic had been added into the Viewdata system on page 786.

The design is reconstructed as best I remember it in the following thread.

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … teresting/

I now have a print of that image, framed in an A4 frame.

I do not know whether in some archive somewhere the original Viewdata page is conserved.

William

Alfred wrote:
Johnk wrote:

Any painter who has mastered his craft can detect the absence of any human feeling in most of these AI productions.

I am not a painter at all, let alone one who has mastered his craft, but I haven’t come across any AI ‘art’ that suggests the presence of human feeling.

What about this one?

https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=3890#p3890

William

The ways to get the required outcomes becoming achieved, not necessarily the "usual" ways.

As far as I am aware, the images are not plagiarised, I asked about intellectual property rights and I was informed that the AI is trained on licensed training databases. I was also informed that the paintings are originals as the AI learns the styles of various artists then paints original paintings in that learned style. So "after" as they put it. I am not sure whether they would be called pastiches.

I am not a professional artist, and I value your input.

Please consider the picture in the following post.

https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=3876#p3876

I wrote the prompt.

I am not a professional artist, and I have no training in art appreciation.

Now I like that picture.

Would you like to say what you think of that picture please, I note that you included the word "most" in your comments, so I wonder what you think of that particular picture. No need to diplomatically take into account that I like the picture, I am interested to learn.

As I say I am not a professional artist yet I know what you mean about the wonderful feeling of seeing one's art displayed.

William

Some older readers may remember the television series The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Under … s_Cousteau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Cousteau

Well, by chance I saw that he was the first contestant on one of the 1956 editions of What's My Line on American television.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CllBA8FBODA

William

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https://arnoldgrummer.com/all-about-cotton-linter.html

William

I tried five times, with a New Topic restart between the tries, using the same wording as in your post so as to try to reproduce what you did, though expecting a different picture as Bing Chat AI tends to do that.

All but the second time I got a "too vague" message.

The second time I got four pictures, all monochrome, but not in any way seeming to illustrate the sentence.

William

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https://www.stcuthbertsmill.com/st-cuth … intmaking/

William

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Wool_Scale

William

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https://www.jacksonsart.com/brands/some … king-paper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassine

William

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I found the following page.

https://www.greenpebble.co.uk/products/ … al-linocut

So, what is Somerset paper that the print is on?

What is glassine paper in which the print arrives packed?

William

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In the following post

https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=3958#p3958

the fifth link is  to

https://www.greenpebble.co.uk/collectio … andprinted

This thread is to discuss handmade original prints, from there and elsewhere.

William

Thank you.

William

Earlier today I was doing my Welsh course at Duolingo.com and one of the sentences was as follows.

Mae rhif ffôn Megan yn y swyddfa.

In English,

Megan's phone number is in the office.

As I was doing the Welsh course, I wondered what Bing Chat AI would produce as a picture to illustrate this sentence.

Here is a transcript of what happened when I tried, after finishing today's Welsh lessons.


Please produce an original painting to illustrate Mae rhif ffôn Megan yn y swyddfa.

This prompt was too vague to generate appropriate, high quality images. Please try a longer, more descriptive prompt.

Please produce an original painting to illustrate the sentence Mae rhif ffôn Megan yn y swyddfa.

This prompt was too vague to generate appropriate, high quality images. Please try a longer, more descriptive prompt.

As I consider that I am researching about AI, exploring what it can and cannot do, rather than being an advocate for it, I mention that although there are some really nice pictures in this thread, the Bing Chat AI usually offers four pictures at a time and I choose which one or two, or none, to post here.

From my own observations and what I have read about AI elsewhere it appears that AI can produce wonderful results, yet it can also produce wrong results.

For example, the various pictures of a lady in a long green dress feeding an okapi. I have chosen from what Bing Chat AI has supplied. Pictures that I have not used have had a sort of composite animal that is like an okapi in body yet has horns somewhere between those of a gazelle and an ibex. So the result produced is not accurate, though it looks to be a good picture, so if someone who did not know it was wrong saw it labelled as if it were correct and took it as being correct then the person would be relying on incorrect information.

There is an old saying in computing "Rubbish in, rubbish out", yet we need another saying as well, because the prompt to the Bing Chat AI was not rubbish, and  there is good information about okapi on the internet, so why did Bing Chat AI include the horns on the picture of the animal?

How does Bing Chat AI produce the pictures?

I am reminded of the Serif ImpactPlus program. Marketed about adding Impact to this and that, but when using it I imagined someone who was really clever making a superb job of producing it because of the way it was done and the facilities within it. Essentially one added 3d objects in a 3d space then output a 2d image of a view of the 3d space.

So I am wondering if Bing Chat AI produces these pictures by a cut-down version of that process so that the camera is only in one place, as if taking a picture from the audience area of a theatre of what is on a stage.

So if admiring the pictures in this thread, please know that, yes, they have been produced by an Artificial Intelligence system, yet the pictures presented in this thread have been selected by humans from what the AI has produced.

William

Some of them get produced as prints and each copy sells for hundreds of pounds.

Yet some are reproduced at a reduced size by high quality industrial printing processes as fine art cards, which may but need not be used as greetings cards, and these are often available for around £3 each.

So it is possible to enjoy the art by framing such a card in a frame, I use frames delivered by Tesco with the groceries.

The cards can sometimes be bought direct from the publisher, though I think some sell in boxes of a dozen (perhaps all the same, or maybe a mix) intended for purchase by museum shops and so on.

Here are some links. Not everything is necessarily linocuts.

https://www.art-angels.co.uk/

https://www.art-angels.co.uk/categories/printmakers

https://www.art-angels.co.uk/categories/distribution

https://www.greenpebble.co.uk/

https://www.greenpebble.co.uk/collectio … andprinted

William

I have been trying to make electronic images using Affinity Designer such that the results look like they are linocuts.

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … x-lino-cut

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … -linocut-3

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … -linocut-4

However, the one I made today could not be done exactly like that as a linocut as I used levels of opacity to get the effect.

So maybe I can find a way to have increasingly thin swirls of white at one hundred percent opacity to produce a similar effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linocut

Hi Paul, thank you for replying.

I like the reflection in the third picture.

Well, I was getting effects like in the following.


https://i.postimg.cc/mt4dy6PB/5bde0933-2d49-4655-9cc0-e6c6ec85795c.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/3kvFMX4n/9a7c9d7d-372b-4fad-bc2d-049cbd9ce0f7.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/qhxd16x7/2dd00ea8-d1e5-48e0-a171-c020b128b6ca.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/JtRD39N1/fcd116e1-8997-467d-88ff-7747ba0779f9.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/75wWqP7F/a8b761b1-7a06-4be4-9771-65bfa11d5529.jpg

I have today tried three separate attempts to produce lino cut prints using Bing Chat AI.


Please produce an original linocut print of a landscape using four and only four colours of ink.

Please produce an original linocut print of a landscape using two and only two colours of ink.

Please produce an original linocut print of a lady playing a lute using two and only two colours of ink.


I am getting images 1024 pixels by 1024 pixels, but the images are not full field to some extent, sometimes a bit, sometimes a lot.

Could some readers try to produce lino cut prints or whatever you choose to describe them as so as to find out what is going on please.

William

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44AkCWvXZmk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_X-1

William

Please produce a description of a lady in a green dress feeding a troll. Please produce an original pastels drawing of a lady in a green dress feeding a troll so as to illustrate the description.

Sure, let’s start with the description:

In a world where the ordinary meets the extraordinary, a lady stands out in her vibrant green dress. The fabric, a rich emerald hue, rustles gently in the breeze, catching the sunlight and casting a soft glow around her. Her hair, a cascade of chestnut waves, frames a face of kindness and understanding. In her hands, she holds a bowl filled with an assortment of fruits and vegetables.

Before her stands a creature of legend, a troll. His large, rough-hewn features are softened by the curious and gentle look in his eyes. He extends a gnarled hand towards the lady, accepting the food she offers with a sense of gratitude. The scene is a testament to the unexpected friendships that can form when kindness is extended to all creatures, regardless of their outward appearance.

Now, I’ll try to create a pastels drawing to illustrate this description.


https://i.postimg.cc/r0D8Y9Z3/a-lady-in-a-green-dress-feeding-a-troll.jpg

Now here is an interesting thing relating maybe to AI or maybe not.

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … nt=1162021

The description of a lady in a green dress feeding a troll.

Was that written by a person or by an AI system?

At the moment of writing this post I do not know.

William

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I wrote some stories in the late 1990s that explored using advertising to fund free to the end user distance education.

They are over a quarter of a century old now. They have been on the website all those years.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/euto0000.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/euto2001.htm

Please do not use the email address stated there.

William

pberk wrote:

Oh.  Thanks for the link to "useum" .. I'd forgot about it. The most amazing art site.  William or anyone, are you a member?  I have not joined, I didn't see a reason.

I only found the website today after Alfred's post and I remembered the two angels, one in green and one in red.

William

Alfred wrote:

Off-topic, ...

Yet what you posted is interesting and lead to some angels.

The paintings of the angels are mentioned in the introduction and in the sections headed Angels and Angel musicians in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_of_the_Rocks

William