William wrote:
Ali wrote:

The issue was whether or not the art is original. As there is no artist involved, then it cannot be considered as art. That's my point. You may choose to think otherwise, but you won't persuade me that these are works of art.

Well, if it is not a work of art, what is it?

It is a machine-generated picture. No artist, no artistic talent required. That's my opinion, to which I am entitled, and it is different to yours.

I am not going to be drawn on this any further: you must accept that my opinion differs to yours and I don't need to prove anything to you in order to validate my opinion any more than you need to validate yours for me.

My opinion: this is not a work of art.
Your opinion: this is a work of art.

The issue was whether or not the art is original. As there is no artist involved, then it cannot be considered as art. That's my point. You may choose to think otherwise, but you won't persuade me that these are works of art.

William wrote:

So what work are both of you claiming was stolen to produce this picture that was requested to be produced in the style of Claude Monet?

All of the pixels are stolen because of the way that AI learns. More importantly, NONE of the pixels are yours. It might satisfy you to churn out this stuff, but it certainly doesn't make you an artist. It doesn't make AI an artist, either.

It's a bit like Eric Morecambe when he said "I was playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order."

And there was me hoping that the pointless speculation wouldn't follow us here ... hmm

JAmedia wrote:

The title of this thread is an oxymoron.  Bing Chat AI can not create original artwork.
EVERYTHING it creates is using data from a lot of stolen work..

My thoughts entirely.

It is definitely worth having - my own version is heavily annotated. Extremely useful!

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Thanks, Alfred.

Good work - well done.

Site not found.

Here's the correct link: https://www.tamworthheritage.org.uk/Magazine/index.html

That's probably because the English are obsessed with tea!

Why would anybody scan and share a photo ID in a chatroom? All they have is my E-mail address - you don't need anything more than that to sign up. Many forums have data breaches from time to time. It sort of goes with the territory. Look at all the companies that are being hacked these days!

Maarten wrote:

Sweet of you to care Ali.

Contrary to popular belief, I am a deeply caring individual. Alfred and I go back a long, long way and I consider him a close member of my online family, even though we've never actually met face-to-face. I am also very loyal to Serif, and until such time as they openly betray my trust, I shall choose to give their questionable marketing ploys recently the benefit of the doubt. I have taken a lot of flak over the years by trying to be reasonable and fair when others have had nothing but negative things to say and really felt that they had right on their side: I have endured a lot of name-calling! But I am no shrinking violet, and I will continue to bang my own drum, whatever people choose to think of me.

With regard to links: that's all well and good, but having to follow links away from a forum can become distracting, so maybe we'll all need to consider helping Alfred to fund this place in future if enough refugees end up here. There is another forum that has been set up on the back of the Affinity forum closure, and I have joined up there, too: similar concerns about maximum file sizes, etc. are already being expressed there, so I am sure its owner will face the same dilemma if it takes off.

Thanks, Kelly, for sharing this.

For what it's worth, I shall trust Serif until such time as they actually betray my trust. The frenzied speculation and assertions about an unknown future on the Affinity forums and Discord are far, far worse than I have ever seen before. It's not surprising given what has happened over the last few days and I cannot pretend to understand the course that the company is currently taking in making these changes - it is indeed a PR disaster.

However, I choose to remain optimistic: I have felt let down before by Serif, firstly when the original forums were shut down (long ago) and again when they decided not to have a web design package as a part of the Affinity suite. I continued using PagePlus until earlier this year, when I started to switch to Publisher, and WebPlus until last year, when I moved to WYSIWYG Web Builder 20.

Having worked closely with Patrick Connor behind the scenes on the Plus range betas (and having met him), I still feel a very close bond with Serif (it felt like a family back in the day and I still cherish those halcyon days), so I refuse to let go of all hope. If he is happy with what's coming, then hopefully it will be OK.

Let's see what 30 October brings and hope that there will be some small olive branches from Serif between now and then.

Maarten wrote:

About this forum I agree with previous posts. I think that a Share your Work channel here would also be nice to see each others work like on the 'old' forum.

Nice maybe, but this would exponentially increase the amount of storage required and would incur extra costs for Alfred, so I think it might not be possible. If the forum remains mainly text-based, it'll remain relatively cheap to run.

Yes, probably.

Just been looking at the forums and Discord - speculation is (inevitably) rife and frenzy is being whipped up. I am not surprised given the way that Canva seem to be handling whatever this 30 October reveal is. I'm still hopeful that it will be a V3 that has some of the missing functionality that's been asked for and lots of bug fixes, but we shall have to wait and see. I'm certainly not going to be getting my knickers in a twist fretting about all the awful things that might be about to happen, least of all the prospect of a subscription model. The die is cast - we can do nothing to change anything. We've all felt this sense of powerlessness before with Serif, so there is some trepidation. All will be revealed in due course. Meanwhile, I hope that Serif is genuinely excited and happy at the prospect.

I always thought that Serif's sub-divisions on the soon-to-close Affinity forum was odd. I would prefer to see it by product:

Affinity Designer (all platforms, but members to state which platform they are using)
Affinity Photo (all platforms, but members to state which platform they are using)
Affinity Publisher (all platforms, but members to state which platform they are using)
Affinity General & Cross-product

Dreadful move on Serif's part. Thanks for creating this section!

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GB wrote:

I am quite neutral about changing clock time twice a year. I guess I'm pretty well used to it. (During the war Britain even had Double Summer Time - 2 hours advance on GMT.)

My dad always tells the story of a local villager who put his clocks forward instead of back in the autumn and arrived for chapel four hours early on the Sunday morning ...

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I'm still alive - can't speak for anyone else. There have been posts since New Year, but not many, and none in this thread.

I have occasionally found files that simply won't delete - they must have corrupted in some way. Annoying, but very infrequent, so I just live with it. Not much help ... sorry!

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Good but not very accrete

LOL!!!

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Very Aesopian.

Ali wrote:
Alfred wrote:

... but the point is that writing “normalcy” in an article intended for a British audience is like writing “manoeuvre” in an article intended for an American one.

No, it isn't.

Normalcy and normality are different words (albeit with the same meaning). Manoeuvre (French spelling adopted by us Brits and most Canadians) and maneuver (US spelling) are the same word spelt differently. I am being pedantic, but we must not confuse words with various spellings and synonyms.

“Bonnet” in the context of cars is peculiarly British. When was the last time you heard someone refer to the inner workings of something as anything other than “under the hood”?

When did you last hear a Brit refer to the "hood" of their car???

Alfred wrote:

Of course it’s more likely than not that it would be understood, but the point is that writing “normalcy” in an article intended for a British audience is like writing “manoeuvre” in an article intended for an American one.

No, it isn't. British v. American spellings are different to choice of vocabulary.

A better comparison would be using hood instead of bonnet when referring to a car.

Really? What do you think ‘somber’ means, Ali?

You misunderstood: sombre and somber are the same word with different (British v. US) spellings. Normalcy and normality might have the same meaning, but they are not the same word.

My point was that whoever wrote the piece, if they are American, may be aware of the British spelling of certain words, but not so au fait with vocabulary usage/preferences. Does this make sense now?