That is a good idea.

I tried using Affinity Designer.

However, the glyphs are then not horizontal.

However, if one ungroups, then rotates each of the two text boxes individually back by the same amount, they become horizontal.

However, I had tried with an Arial A, back rotating about the centre, and the A was not in the right place.

So I rotated another copy of the original grouped text boxes, ungrouped, made the A red so I could tell which was which, then backrotated about centre top, and it went to a different place, but still not quite the right place.

So do we need a way to, in effect, back rotate about the centre of the glyph? Would that, if we could do it, give the correct result?

Does this need a way to centre the glyph vertically in the text box as well as centreing it horizontally?

Is there a way to do that?

William

Going back on-topic, there are some more posts in the thread about Tengwar in the archive of the Unicode mailing list.

William

I exported the files from WordPad as Unicode Text Document files.

So they are two bytes per character, UTF-16 with a Byte Order Mark at the start.

This is using a research font, the glyphs are encoded as characters in the Unicode Private Use Area.

William

Oh. Two files now. One for the poem that Jack mentioned. One for a clock.

William

Thank you.

A nice design.

I like the idea  of the plates.

Ultimately such plates could be made, though it might need a large order.

I wonder if there is a facility for doing one-off production, like one can obtain one-off customized drinks mugs.

Ah yes.

https://www.bagsoflove.co.uk/personalis … plate.aspx

The font is available from the following web page.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/l … search.htm

I have attached a file containing the characters of the text of the poem.

It will need use of the font.

In the picture I used 20 point with a colour of (r, g, b) = (197, 204, 123)

William

Subsequently edited, just to attach the file

No.

However, for this thread it was possible. and in the event there have been more posts.

You might perhaps like the post that I sent in this evening.

William

I saw this song, which, may or may not have been this performance, on television probably in the 1990s.

I always wondered what it was about.

Die 3 Z'widern - Da Lehrer, da Pfarrer und der Wirt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bmN2Nvnnfs

https://lyricstranslate.com/de/die-3-zw … yrics.html

I had a look at the translation at Google translate.

Please enjoy.

Sing along in the chorus if you wish.

William

Hello Jack

This video may be of interest as part way through the camera view shows the panorama.

Loreley sung in Esperanto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdH07MzPJ3A

https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loreley

If one puts the Esperanto text of the song into Google translate some words don't get translated.

These are words that end in an apostrophe.

In Esperanto all singluar nouns, except in the direct object case, end in a letter o however it is permissible in poetry to replace the final o with an apostrophe. This reduces the syllable length by one syllable and also allows more scope for rhymes.

So if one replaces the apostrophe with an o then Google translate will change the translation into English that is provided.

Belega is a rather nice word, bela means beautiful, belega means something like greatly beautiful in a way that does not seem to have an English equivalent. It is, I think, not the same as very beautiful.

William

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVsUOuSjvcg

William

Also, in the lower right corner of the page where one enters the PIN there are some logos.

On this computer, the second from the right, clicking on that offers the option to turn on the on-screen keyboard.

Maybe your computer has the same facility.

William