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Paul - it's an over-dub.

The original camera capture wasn't good with wind noise.  I intended to over-dub anyway.  I then repeated it when doing my narration. On the timeline I then tried to match up the waveforms.  But surprisingly I found I had to speed up my re-dub to match, quite considerably in a couple of places!  From memory there was one place when wind made it difficult to see the speech waveform on the original recording so the sync isn't perfect.

You have sharp eyes to spot it.

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I go way back when we did 16mm double system sound .. maintaining lip sync was a chore.  My wife got very very good at spotting something that was just one frame out of sync.  To this day we notice when broadcast TV has it out of sync. 

I've done lots of "looping" (as I call it), by just re-recording the dialogue immediately after hearing it played back, trying to reproduce the dialogue pacing, feeling etc.  In other words,  mimicking the original. 

Eric, you did a marvelous job of dialogue replacement.  I'm sure very very few would ever notice it.   

I posted this little one minute demo on "looping" long ago on the Vegas Forum.  Worth repeating here.  At the time I was investigating all kinds of software that claimed it could eliminate "background" noise in the audio track.  "Looping" or "Dubbing" is many times a much better way.  And actually not that hard.

Looping .. 1 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFCfYV0-yTY

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I to have been used to sync with just about all the videos that I make because I always use a separate audio recorder in wav for recording bands and (if I can) put a flash drive in the mixing desk (as long as the sound man knows what he is doing) ! I also normally use at least 2 cameras with one fixed and often 3 with 2 fixed depending on the venue (and space available) as tripods often get kicked by over exuberant dancing !
I don't bother using a decent separate mic on the hand held camera as I constantly move about that obviously alters the sound from different speakers. The only problem that I sometimes have is the waveform on the timelines is completely different visually between MP3 and wav so I have to use headphones to get it exact.
Sometimes when it is loaded onto YouTube it is rendered by them actually out of sync !!
And I also noticed that Eric's video was dubbed, the wind blowing the plants was a giveaway. Next time add a small amount of wind noise on the track and we wouldn't have noticed !!!!!!

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Paul - thanks.  I recall seeing it on the Vegas forum.  I had forgotten the procedure was also called "looping".

Gordon - mp3 is a pain to synchronise due to the nature of its compression.  It's not suitable for accurate editing.  Years ago I used mp3 for my first digital video narration using MVPX6.  I cut my narration mp3 file (recorded outside MVP) on the timeline so each piece started where I wanted. After rendering I found most of it was out and cut in the wrong place.  Converting my mp3 to wav and using that solved the problem.  Converting your mp3s might help you but of course wav are much larger files.

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ericlnz wrote:

Gordon - mp3 is a pain to synchronise due to the nature of its compression.  It's not suitable for accurate editing.  Years ago I used mp3 for my first digital video narration using MVPX6.  I cut my narration mp3 file (recorded outside MVP) on the timeline so each piece started where I wanted. After rendering I found most of it was out and cut in the wrong place.  Converting my mp3 to wav and using that solved the problem.  Converting your mp3s might help you but of course wav are much larger files.

Yes I do convert between the two and if It's all my recordings I am ok as I have been doing it for years. However the problem sometimes arises when I use someone else's audio recording that is sent over the internet, depending on what rate it has been recorded at can make a fair bit of difference over a 3 minute song and I have to do a bit of test converting with kbps to get it right especially with 3 or4 timelines.
As for wav being much larger, compared to video they are small so it doesn't really matter and I don't bother to keep them anyway.

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pberk wrote:

I go way back when we did 16mm double system sound .. maintaining lip sync was a chore.  My wife got very very good at spotting something that was just one frame out of sync.  To this day we notice when broadcast TV has it out of sync. 

I've done lots of "looping" (as I call it), by just re-recording the dialogue immediately after hearing it played back, trying to reproduce the dialogue pacing, feeling etc.  In other words,  mimicking the original. 

Eric, you did a marvelous job of dialogue replacement.  I'm sure very very few would ever notice it.   

I posted this little one minute demo on "looping" long ago on the Vegas Forum.  Worth repeating here.  At the time I was investigating all kinds of software that claimed it could eliminate "background" noise in the audio track.  "Looping" or "Dubbing" is many times a much better way.  And actually not that hard.

Looping .. 1 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFCfYV0-yTY


Paul, well I managed to get rid of the piano doing a bit of experimenting, but I've got a little bit of echo or something on the voice

https://youtu.be/RhFKnQh9eMM

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That's amazing Alan .. what software did that?

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pberk wrote:

That's amazing Alan .. what software did that?



Just playing around, and I thought you can remove voice from a song and leave the orchestra, so why not the reverse, searched around
different things and found this

https://vocali.se/en#about   


There may be better out there

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I say it again .. amazing ..

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pberk wrote:

I say it again .. amazing ..

I sometimes have to get rid of background noise in my music videos and it seems to work in your film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBrNIjErtMs

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GStree wrote:
pberk wrote:

I say it again .. amazing ..

I sometimes have to get rid of background noise in my music videos and it seems to work in your film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBrNIjErtMs

Dialogue replacement is easy compared to reducing background when taking "live music sync sound". 

I'd say you already know that a sound mixer and as many separator mic's you can get are the best way to control the background sound.   You want some of the audience sound, don't you?

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pberk wrote:
GStree wrote:
pberk wrote:

I say it again .. amazing ..

I sometimes have to get rid of background noise in my music videos and it seems to work in your film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBrNIjErtMs

Dialogue replacement is easy compared to reducing background when taking "live music sync sound". 

I'd say you already know that a sound mixer and as many separator mic's you can get are the best way to control the background sound.   You want some of the audience sound, don't you?

Of course, however I will record from an audio recorder from up in the audience as well to get the complete acoustics of the venue. I will then mix it in with the "clinical" sound from the desk that also does pick up some of the audience via the bands microphones. Did you watch the link  that I sent on my last post regarding your Looped film ? I think you will notice the improvement ?

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GStree wrote:
pberk wrote:
GStree wrote:

I sometimes have to get rid of background noise in my music videos and it seems to work in your film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBrNIjErtMs

Dialogue replacement is easy compared to reducing background when taking "live music sync sound". 

I'd say you already know that a sound mixer and as many separator mic's you can get are the best way to control the background sound.   You want some of the audience sound, don't you?

Of course, however I will record from an audio recorder from up in the audience as well to get the complete acoustics of the venue. I will then mix it in with the "clinical" sound from the desk that also does pick up some of the audience via the bands microphones. Did you watch the link  that I sent on my last post regarding your Looped film ? I think you will notice the improvement ?

This is confusing.  What Alan did -- and Gordon did too -- was to use the "looped" footage to extract the piano background.  The challenge would be to extract the piano on the original footage and sound.  The "looped" section of the footage I original posted uses a different piano recording for background, and of course, a much cleaner and stronger voice track which was dubbed.  So the "looped" section has the dubbed voice recorded separately and a "canned" piano track mixed with it.  No live sound at all.  As I said the challenge would be to extract the background piano from the original "live sync sound" track.  Hence no dubbing or "looping" involved.

Get it?

Confused?

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OK I have now processed the original.
https://youtu.be/sLNVtRj1v3s

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GStree wrote:

OK I have now processed the original.
https://youtu.be/sLNVtRj1v3s

WOW.  Pretty good.  It doesn't sound natural -- but it is clear and not a hint of the piano.  That means separating those piano frequencies or something. 

What's the software?  Same as Alan is using?

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pberk wrote:
GStree wrote:

OK I have now processed the original.
https://youtu.be/sLNVtRj1v3s

WOW.  Pretty good.  It doesn't sound natural -- but it is clear and not a hint of the piano.  That means separating those piano frequencies or something. 

What's the software?  Same as Alan is using?

I use the Splitter Studio software that is free but I believe that the upgrades (that you have to pay for) are better. However the problem with most of this type of software is that although it can remove the background sound of certain frequencies it wont remove the other background human voices of people talking at the same time as you. Obviously it could be possible as human voices are different, but it would mean it would have to be more sophisticated and be more "hands on" to control it.
I agree that it doesn't sound "natural" but have found that most times that I have used it (like for wedding videos) I have then put in the same background music (but at a lower volume) that disguises it somewhat and I have got away with it. Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcoU62njOE4

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GStree wrote:
pberk wrote:
GStree wrote:

OK I have now processed the original.
https://youtu.be/sLNVtRj1v3s

WOW.  Pretty good.  It doesn't sound natural -- but it is clear and not a hint of the piano.  That means separating those piano frequencies or something. 

What's the software?  Same as Alan is using?

I use the Splitter Studio software that is free but I believe that the upgrades (that you have to pay for) are better. However the problem with most of this type of software is that although it can remove the background sound of certain frequencies it wont remove the other background human voices of people talking at the same time as you. Obviously it could be possible as human voices are different, but it would mean it would have to be more sophisticated and be more "hands on" to control it.
I agree that it doesn't sound "natural" but have found that most times that I have used it (like for wedding videos) I have then put in the same background music (but at a lower volume) that disguises it somewhat and I have got away with it. Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcoU62njOE4

WOW.. Double wow Gordon  .. sounds great that way .. proves it can be done.  You've had some practice at this. And it proves me wrong when i said that "we're going to have to loop this entire section" .. Good stuff to master as SOUND IS IMPORTANT.

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Hi Guys, see if this sounds any better with some ambient background in

https://youtu.be/PBIAKYDNHfc

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Alan Hodkinson wrote:

Hi Guys, see if this sounds any better with some ambient background in

https://youtu.be/PBIAKYDNHfc

That's the idea Alan .. sounds much better as the ambient sound covers some of the harshness as the dialogue punches in

.. No doubt about it, the "removal" software that does this sort of thing has improved, apparently due to A.I.

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Speaking of A.I. .. Here's my little A.I. Movie .. This is the same one I recently posted on the Vegas Forum.  Eric saw it over there.  But what the heck, I'll post it here too. 

This little robot story was written with the help of ChatGPT.

Romulus 13 min.
https://youtu.be/tBE2qAcqmuc

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pberk wrote:

Speaking of A.I. .. Here's my little A.I. Movie .. This is the same one I recently posted on the Vegas Forum.  Eric saw it over there.  But what the heck, I'll post it here too. 

This little robot story was written with the help of ChatGPT.

Romulus 13 min.
https://youtu.be/tBE2qAcqmuc


That's good, nice bit of filming and editing, flows well

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pberk wrote:

Speaking of A.I. .. Here's my little A.I. Movie .. This is the same one I recently posted on the Vegas Forum.  Eric saw it over there.  But what the heck, I'll post it here too. 

This little robot story was written with the help of ChatGPT.

Romulus 13 min.
https://youtu.be/tBE2qAcqmuc

Yes a good bit of green screen and editing well done Paul.

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Apart from bands and wedding videos I don't tend to make many videos that would appeal to many others. We came back from Spain on Tuesday and as the weather has started to buck up today in the UK  I had a look around the garden at the flowers. I normally try and do time lapse of the plants opening but they are not that far advanced this year.
This is a short film from last year that I made at a similar time from still images that I took off of my camcorder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzESpcoWgpI

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GStree wrote:

Apart from bands and wedding videos I don't tend to make many videos that would appeal to many others. We came back from Spain on Tuesday and as the weather has started to buck up today in the UK  I had a look around the garden at the flowers. I normally try and do time lapse of the plants opening but they are not that far advanced this year.
This is a short film from last year that I made at a similar time from still images that I took off of my camcorder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzESpcoWgpI

Nice and relaxing.  Quiet the opposite pace of modern times, but what do the flowers care?

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Thanks Gordon.  Very nice.   It's what I'd call an Audio Visual.

I made something similar ten years ago.  Not as good as yours.  Mine was made to play Kevin MacLeod's "Last Kiss Goodnight", a track that I find haunting.

https://vimeo.com/98603064