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Alfred's Serif Users' Forums → General Discussion → Halls and Black fives
I find it interesting that the Great Western Railway Hall class locomotives and the London Midland & Scottish Black five locomotives were similar, yet the Halls were painted in a green livery like the top express locomotives and each had its own name, yet the Black fives were in a black livery and all but a very few had no name, just a number.
William
I’ve just read that Black Fives were originally known as Black Staniers, but I haven’t found an explanation for the change of name.
The designer was William Stanier.
William
The designer was William Stanier.
That explains the derivation of the name Black Stanier, but not the name Black 5, and I still don’t know why it was changed.
Possibly because he designed another locomotive that had black livery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS_Stanier_Class_8F
William
This is about saving two of the Stanier 8F locomotives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juy2-kwqL-Q
William
Halls were painted in a green livery like the top express locomotives
Halls were built by the GWR at their Swindon works. The livery nof the Halls was similar to those of Castles, Kings etc. I doubt if Stanier had anything to do with their design.
Thanks for the confirmation.
William wrote:The designer was William Stanier.
That explains the derivation of the name Black Stanier, but not the name Black 5, and I still don’t know why it was changed.
A little searching of the Interwebs tells me that the 5 refers to the power classification.
William wrote:The designer was William Stanier.
That explains the derivation of the name Black Stanier, but not the name Black 5, and I still don’t know why it was changed.
Oh sorry, Alfred, I took your question as meaning why the change from using the name of the designer, I did not pick up that you also wanted to know why the number 5 was used. Though upon rereading now with hindsight, it is clear that you were asking two questions. Had I realized I would have said.
William
Thanks for the confirmation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_4900_Class
Well, Mr Stanier was Works Manager at Swindon when the Hall was introduced, So, at present in this thread it is not clear whether he contributed any input to the design.
William
Alfred wrote:William wrote:The designer was William Stanier.
That explains the derivation of the name Black Stanier, but not the name Black 5, and I still don’t know why it was changed.
Oh sorry, Alfred, I took your question as meaning why the change from using the name of the designer, I did not pick up that you also wanted to know why the number 5 was used. Though upon rereading now with hindsight, it is clear that you were asking two questions. Had I realized I would have said.
William
Thank you, William. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn’t it!
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