Topic: Affinity is joining the Canva family
An announcement from Ash Hewson, Managing Director of Serif (Europe) Ltd
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Alfred's Serif Users' Forums → General Discussion → Affinity is joining the Canva family
An announcement from Ash Hewson, Managing Director of Serif (Europe) Ltd
what's your take on this Alfred? It's the end of Serif, right?
I don’t think so, Paul, but I do wonder whether the perpetual licence model will survive beyond the current version 2 of the Affinity apps.
I'd not heard of Canva. It doesn't look good for Affinity users. I'm not one.
To followup [sic] on some of my comments yesterday, we are today enshrining our commitment to the Affinity community in 4 pledges made by the Affinity and Canva teams.
https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … nt-1193400

Sounds encouraging but the trend for all software is to subscription models. This goes along with "cloud" based features that can be updated for everyone at the same time. Buying and owning your own copy of the Software, in general, is gradually being replaced. Old Serif users are not use to this. Grumble. Grumble. You'd think subscription models would fail as it seems so much better to pay once and own it. But instead, subscription models are becoming the norm because you can get started for a low price and quit when you want. Personally I don't like subscriptions.
To address some of what is being said on this thread...
Firstly to be clear I'm not a founder, but have been with the company for 25 years. I'm officially appointed as Managing Director of the company, but also use CEO as my title as that is my role in terms of how other countries would view it.
Both Canva and us have made 100% clear we are committing to perpetual licences always being available. That will include V3 or any other future major upgrade of our apps which are released. What's more I will say with Canva's backing we are not under the same financial pressure we would have been to release a V3 anytime soon, meaning those of you using V2 will actually benefit from more features as free updates which may previously have been held back for a V3 if that makes sense. This is of great benefit from an engineering standpoint too as we are far better testing and releasing features in smaller chunks than saving them up to package up as a sellable upgrade.
https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … nt-1194508
It's refreshing to see this topic discussed without the vitriol that's being posted on Affinity-focussed forums/Facebook pages.
There are too many people sat at their keyboards thinking that by shouting their views they can turn things to their way of thinking.
Too many people of the "glass half empty" vision.
They've forgotten, ignored or didn't know that Serif was acquired by a US company one before (1996?) and subsequently re-acquired by the Serif management team.
Do many people hell bent on suggesting the words of the pledges are "code" - these people sound like conspiracy=theorists - such a shame.
Personally, I think and hope that good things are coming. The fact that those 4 pledges have been made is positive. Do you recall similar pledges being made in other acquisitions? It's a bold move, because if those pledges aren't honoured the hotheads will have a field day, and I don't think Canva or Affinity want that.
So, let's wait and see how things develop.
Little late joining the conversation, but whenever something 'new' appears, before deciding to buy I seek out websites describing the Pros and Cons and to be honest I always go for the Cons first.
Cons for me are: -
* Firstly, and appears where everything is going these days, Canva is cloud-based software. This is a bother for me as I have always preferred and used stand-alone software that is bought or downloaded to run independently on my system - where also, all such as personal photos and videos are stored privately on my system - and 'not' the cloud.
* Reports are that the free Canva is limited and one will soon want to upgrade to paid features which are an expensive monthly option.
* It is, therefore, a subscription service.
* Comparisons on 'comparison websites' rated Serif software as 'superior' to Canva - so an obvious choice for Canva was to buy-out Serif.
* What you see on your screen with Canva - might be different to what is printed.
* Confusing interface.
* One comparison website said: difficult to use on tablets and mobiles.
AND, here's two troubling Cons (for me anyway): -
* Canva can delete your account at any time they wish.
* Intellectual Property remains with Canva.
The comment has been made, 'let's wait and see'., but for me: too many Cons...
A while since anyone has commented on the buy-out of Serif by Canva, but the Cons (for me) keep mounting up.
Here's another: -
'Canva has many outages and often runs slow'
and/or: -
'Difficult to login - or takes an age to login'
A colleague has taken over one of my DTP projects, which I did on PagePlus X9. He has decided to go the Canva route, having not used any Serif software previously. He reported these issues to me, so I did an online Canva search yesterday and lo and behold these issues, among others, are being widely reported.
If one is leisurely producing a DTP project, no problem - but if one has print deadlines to meet then Canva might well prove to be unreliable.
A while since anyone has commented on the buy-out of Serif by Canva, but the Cons (for me) keep mounting up.
Here's another: -
'Canva has many outages and often runs slow'
and/or: -
'Difficult to login - or takes an age to login'
These cons only relate to using (or trying to use!) Canva. They have nothing to do with the buyout.
I wouldn’t want to use a platform such as Canva for DTP work, but in any case I now have PagePlus and Affinity Publisher to choose from. I also own an ancient copy of Microsoft Publisher which is not currently installed.
Maybe it's me but I cannot find any mention of Affinity on the Canva site https://www.canva.com/
I have also found that many software upgrades are anything but.
Outlook, for example, went from a full featured (albeit buggy) program to a stripped down version of its former self. Lots of useful features had been cut out.
PagePlus and DrawPlus went from full featured sophisticated programs to the Affinity range which had and still has far fewer features and abilities that the former programs had.
When Affinity Publisher first came out I imagined it would be PagePlus on steroids and had projects lined up for it. What a disappointment that was - and still is.
Affinity Publisher is only a few years old, PagePlus has been around for three decades.
Ashley Hewson wrote:To followup [sic] on some of my comments yesterday, we are today enshrining our commitment to the Affinity community in 4 pledges made by the Affinity and Canva teams.
https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … nt-1193400
I'll try again to add the PDF of the email I got last night, but if it fails again, here's just John's reply:
Hi Kelly,
As you've seen, the pledges are still there for everyone to read, nothing about that has changed.
There'll be more information soon, I think people will be very happy with what we have planned.
John Atkin | Head of Communications
Affinity | Part of the Canva family
Welcome, Kelly, and thanks for sharing John Atkin’s email with us.
I remain to be convinced that John uses the word “soon” the same way as the rest of us do.
Thanks, Kelly, for sharing this.
For what it's worth, I shall trust Serif until such time as they actually betray my trust. The frenzied speculation and assertions about an unknown future on the Affinity forums and Discord are far, far worse than I have ever seen before. It's not surprising given what has happened over the last few days and I cannot pretend to understand the course that the company is currently taking in making these changes - it is indeed a PR disaster.
However, I choose to remain optimistic: I have felt let down before by Serif, firstly when the original forums were shut down (long ago) and again when they decided not to have a web design package as a part of the Affinity suite. I continued using PagePlus until earlier this year, when I started to switch to Publisher, and WebPlus until last year, when I moved to WYSIWYG Web Builder 20.
Having worked closely with Patrick Connor behind the scenes on the Plus range betas (and having met him), I still feel a very close bond with Serif (it felt like a family back in the day and I still cherish those halcyon days), so I refuse to let go of all hope. If he is happy with what's coming, then hopefully it will be OK.
Let's see what 30 October brings and hope that there will be some small olive branches from Serif between now and then.
First of all thank you Alfred for having me here and good to see some familiar faces.
Affinity is changing in a big way (from what I have seen) and I doubt very much it will remain an "Installable" sofware with a perpetual licence. This would go against the ethos and foundation of Canva. There will be a close integration with Canva and Canva AI.
I do not think there will be a 2.7 or ideed 3.0 - I just hope the new platform will retain most of the important features (For example Mail Merging in Publisher) and many more.
Sam
Welcome, Sam, and thanks for sharing your thoughts about what Canva has in store for those of us who have Affinity version 2 licences. I just wish they weren’t keeping us waiting so long before the big reveal!
Welcome, Sam, and thanks for sharing your thoughts about what Canva has in store for those of us who have Affinity version 2 licences. I just wish they weren’t keeping us waiting so long before the big reveal!
The reason it has taken this long is, the application has been written from ground up with a the help from Canva's dev team and direction and design by Ash & Co. (imho) - This is the gamble Affinity has taken and they will lose a lot of users if it will a web based application (Which most certainly) will.
I would be amazed it is otherwise.
The reason it has taken this long is, the application has been written from ground up with a the help from Canva's dev team and direction and design by Ash & Co. (imho) - This is the gamble Affinity has taken and they will lose a lot of users if it will a web based application (Which most certainly) will.
I would be amazed it is otherwise.
In which case I am staying on V2
And there was me hoping that the pointless speculation wouldn't follow us here ... ![]()
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Now, for the serious business…
Alfred wrote:Welcome, Sam, and thanks for sharing your thoughts about what Canva has in store for those of us who have Affinity version 2 licences. I just wish they weren’t keeping us waiting so long before the big reveal!
The reason it has taken this long is, the application has been written from ground up with a the help from Canva's dev team and direction and design by Ash & Co. (imho) - This is the gamble Affinity has taken and they will lose a lot of users if it will a web based application (Which most certainly) will.
I would be amazed it is otherwise.
Wait, do you have insider knowledge on what's happening behind the scenes? Blink twice for yes. ![]()
If they offer both, with maybe access to the web version being strictly subscription-based (which, err, makes sense, you'd be using their servers and having the convenience of advanced collaboration features and universal access regardless of which device you'd be using, after all), that would actually be an improvement, and even if it delayed the app's further development, or if, worse still, it set it back in features (kind of like when Apple redid their entire iWork suite in the process and somewhat nerfed it in the process), many users would be ok with it, others would stick with Affinity v2 and wait for the new solution to catch up, etc.
Killing off native Affinity apps, as compiled and released for the two OSes and the two architectures they run on (so, four variants, and in fact soon to be only three, as Apple is never going back to Intel and will deprecate Rosetta, stop releasing new major macOS versions for Intel Macs next year and stop supporting older ones altogether in three years), is an absolute disaster. It'll be comparable to Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia, or maybe even more stupid as at least Adobe had a couple of reasons to do it and didn't radically change its business model right then and there (I mean, they tried capitalising on Flash and failed miserably, but they kept selling packaged software), and no matter how promising that message vkbellis shared may sound or how nice Patrick actually is, as Ali stated, the fact of the matter is that he's no longer running the show, Canva is. It's not Patrick or Serif we don't trust, it's Canva.
I've always felt that the acquisition was a bit out of character, but figured that Canva could stand to benefit from adding to their offering with a set of native apps, and thus becoming a bit more respectable in the design world. If they go this route, and ripping up their pledge so shortly after they signed it (I mean, it isn't much of a pledge if it lasts for a couple of months and applies only to the current version; it may even be construed as a ruse to extract more money from naïve customers instead of being upfront about it and preparing them for an inevitable transition), I suspect it might actually damage their brand further. My €0,02.
First post!
LOL, João. Are you sure you didn’t mean to type “First poassstt!!!!!!”?
Welcome to my merry little band.
And there was me hoping that the pointless speculation wouldn't follow us here ...
Ali this is neither pointless or speculation. I have strong evidence otherwise I would not be saying this.
Wether you like it or not - Affinity will be online and subscription based. The question is how powerful will it be?
You will see on the 30th if you have signed up to see.
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