Re: What makes an artwork art?

I closed Copilot and then started it again, so a new conversation, separate from previous conversations as I have Copilot set so as to do that.

i added the image of the lady (as in post 45) and prompted Copilot.

WJGO wrote:

Please imagine that you are a professional artist. A client has arrived asking you to paint a picture of a lady. The client has provided you with an image to give an idea of the layout of the finished picture, but wants you to paint a picture of a real person.

Copliot wrote:

Absolutely, William. As a professional artist, I’d approach this commission with both creative sensitivity and technical precision. The reference image you provided offers a strong compositional framework—minimalist, bold, and evocative. Here's how I’d translate that into a portrait of a real woman while honoring the layout:

[picture emoji redacted]Artistic Vision & Interpretation
1. Composition & Layout

Pose: I’d keep the subject facing right, as in the reference, to preserve the contemplative mood.

Background: The solid red backdrop creates emotional intensity. I’d retain it but soften the hue slightly to complement natural skin tones.

Window Element: The four-pane window adds spatial depth. I’d keep it, perhaps adding a subtle outdoor scene—like a garden or skyline—to hint at the subject’s world.

2. Subject Realism

Facial Features: I’d paint a real woman with expressive eyes, nuanced skin tones, and natural hair texture. The goal is to capture personality, not just likeness.

Garment: The green clothing could be reimagined as a flowing blouse or dress, with fabric texture and folds to add realism.

Lighting: I’d use soft directional lighting from the window to highlight her face and create gentle shadows, adding depth and emotion.

3. Style

I’d blend realism with stylized abstraction—keeping the bold shapes and colors from the reference, but layering in lifelike detail where it matters most: the face, hands, and eyes.

Would you like to choose the real person this lady should resemble? It could be someone famous, someone you know, or even a character from literature or history. That would help me refine the mood, expression, and attire.

WJGO wrote:

No, please ask one of your fictional models to pose.



https://i.postimg.cc/yWnwGz3Q/Copilot-20251011-070837.png



Copilot wrote:

She’s ready, William [palette emoji redacted]

Meet Elira—my fictional muse for this portrait. She’s a quiet force, the kind of woman who speaks volumes with a glance. In this painting, she’s captured in a moment of stillness, gazing out of frame as if lost in thought. The soft light from the window brushes her cheek, revealing the warmth in her skin and the depth in her eyes. Her green blouse drapes elegantly, contrasting with the bold red background, and the window behind her hints at a world beyond—perhaps one she’s yearning to return to, or one she’s just left behind.

If you click the card above, you’ll see her come to life.

Would you like to give her a backstory? I’d love to help you build her world—where she’s from, what she dreams about, who she’s waiting for.

Re: What makes an artwork art?

WJGO wrote:

I notice that you have changed the direction in which she was looking.

Coplot wrote:

You're absolutely right, William—and sharp-eyed of you to catch that. In the original reference, the figure was facing to the right, which subtly suggests forward motion or contemplation of something beyond the frame. In the painting I created, Elira faces slightly left, which shifts the emotional tone. It feels more introspective, almost as if she’s reflecting on something behind her or within herself.

This wasn’t accidental—it was a creative decision to give her a sense of quiet depth and emotional gravity. But if you'd prefer her to face right, I can absolutely recompose the portrait to match the original orientation. It would restore that sense of outward focus, perhaps even anticipation.

Would you like me to adjust her pose? Or shall we explore what she might be thinking about in this current version?

WJGO wrote:

I like that picture. However, I would like to see the version where she is looking in the direction of the original picture.

However. although Copilot claimed to produce such pictures, it did not do so, producing pctures very similar. yet not exactly the same, as the picture that is included in the previous post.

Re: What makes an artwork art?

Are either, or both, of the pictures in posts 50 and 51, art?

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Re: What makes an artwork art?

No - same reasons as I gave before. What difference do you perceive?

55 (edited by William 2025-10-11 12:17:55)

Re: What makes an artwork art?

Ali wrote:

No - same reasons as I gave before. What difference do you perceive?

Thank you for replying.

I was wondering whether, because I input art rather than a text prompt, whether that would make a difference, particularly in relation to the picture in post 50 where most of the difference from my art original is of texturing.

The picture in post 51 is significantly different from my art input, yet retains various features of the art input.

Does any use whatsoever of AI on a copy of some art mean that the picture produced is not art? Even if that is done by the action of the artist of the original art?

Edited to correct my wrong spelling of the word 'original'.

Re: What makes an artwork art?

There is a Museum of Bad Art

https://museumofbadart.org/

Yet that does mean that the pictures are conserved.

I particularly like Two Tress in Love

57 (edited by Ali 2025-10-11 11:58:59)

Re: What makes an artwork art?

Does any use whatsoever of AI on a copy of some art mean that the picture produced is not art? Even if that is done by the action of the artist of the orginal (sic) art?

The minute you hand it over to AI, it is using algorithms to search the Internet for content that matches your requirements and using that content (stolen pixels) to cobble together a result for you. When you give it your art as a prompt, all it's doing is rearranging your pixels, so it's not producing anything original, just a different version of your work. None of this is art. It is very clever, although not because the AI is clever, but because those who have developed it are.

We went to see Griff Rhys Jones yesterday evening and his introductory video was a series of AI-generated pictures of him and cats (the show being called The Cat's Pyjamas). Most of them were absolutely awful and barely resembled him, and many had the classic deformed hands that have become so common in AI-generated images. His PA had generated everything from prompts: no artist was involved in the process at all!

Re: What makes an artwork art?

Thank you for replying.

Re: What makes an artwork art?

Readers might like to know of the following post in an earlier thread, where an artist kindly provided a link to a web version of his book on Composition.

https://punster.me/serif/viewtopic.php?pid=5555#p5555

Re: What makes an artwork art?

William wrote:

There is a Museum of Bad Art

https://museumofbadart.org/

Yet that does mean that the pictures are conserved.

I particularly like Two Tress in Love

I tried to search for Two Trees in Love but was ‘rewarded’ with the following error message:

There has been a critical error on this website.

“Welcome to the present moment. Here. Now. The only moment there ever is.”
― Eckhart Tolle

Re: What makes an artwork art?

Alfred wrote:

I tried to search for Two Trees in Love but was ‘rewarded’ with the following error message:

There has been a critical error on this website.

I just tried again. This time my search attempt didn’t invoke a critical error, or indeed any error at all; however, the search proved fruitless:

Sorry, but nothing matched your search terms. Please try again with some different keywords.

“Welcome to the present moment. Here. Now. The only moment there ever is.”
― Eckhart Tolle

Re: What makes an artwork art?

It is the sixth picture along on the following web page.

https://museumofbadart.org/unlikely-landscapes/

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https://museumofbadart.org/collections/

Re: What makes an artwork art?

William wrote:

It is the sixth picture along on the following web page.

https://museumofbadart.org/unlikely-landscapes/

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https://museumofbadart.org/collections/

Thank you.

“Welcome to the present moment. Here. Now. The only moment there ever is.”
― Eckhart Tolle

Re: What makes an artwork art?

I have found that my picture is from 2019.

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index. … of-a-lady/


https://i.postimg.cc/nstbkQnr/lady-1.png


https://i.postimg.cc/0b6T1CQB/lady-2.png

Re: What makes an artwork art?

Clicking on an image in my previous post should display it enlarged. Clicking on that enlarged display should display the image further enlarged.