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Topic: Who's fooling whom?

"...you cannot fool all the people all the time." quoth Abe Lincoln.

The Senate has just decided to do just that. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/15/senate- … anent.html

Can't we just stick to real solar time, or should clock faces be redesigned?

https://i.postimg.cc/TKJFMygp/new-clock-face.gif

Re: Who's fooling whom?

The article states "as a way to create more daylight hours during warmer months"!!!  Doesn't say much for the intelligence of the writer.  More daylight hours comes from the earth's orbit not from moving our clocks.

In NZ we are permanently on by half an hour and in summer another additional hour.  I wish we just compromised by being permanently on by an hour so I didn't have to adjust clocks and other gadgets twice a year.

Re: Who's fooling whom?

The article states "as a way to create more daylight hours during warmer months"!!!  Doesn't say much for the intelligence of the writer.  More daylight hours comes from the earth's orbit not from moving our clocks.

I think that the ". . . way to create more daylight hours during warmer months" is because people tend to get up according to the clock. It will be darker at breakfast time, but we will eat at the same clock time each day. At the other end of the day it will be lighter, prolonging the evening. So it seems that the daylight is longer even though it isn't.

Re: Who's fooling whom?

jackneve wrote:

At the other end of the day it will be lighter, prolonging the evening.

My problem with the ‘prolonging the evening’ argument for switching to BST or any other kind of daylight saving time is that it gets dark pretty early during the winter months if you live as far north as I do. The need for more light in the winter evenings is therefore greater than in the summer evenings, but it gets taken away when we put the clocks back.

"Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?"
― Tennessee Williams

Re: Who's fooling whom?

Alfred, I don't disagree with you.

During  WW2,  "double-summertime", two hours adrift, was implemented in the summer, for a period. Then, one hour ("summertime") adrift in the winter led to very dark mornings.

It also meant getting up for work was in the quite early morning, most disagreeable.

British Double Summer Time”
There have been periods in UK history where DST was 2 hours ahead of standard time. This is known as “British Double Summer Time” (BDST), “Double Summer Time,” or “Double British Summer Time.”

During World War II the UK went on an extended DST period from February 25, 1940 to October 7, 1945, effectively adding 1 hour to the time zone (UTC+1). During the DST period in the summer, another hour was added to the time zone (UTC+2).

There was another period of BDST in 1947, which was brought on by severe fuel shortages in the country.

Re: Who's fooling whom?

jackneve wrote:

Then, one hour ("summertime") adrift in the winter led to very dark mornings.

It remains dark here in the morning anyway, so not putting the clocks back doesn’t affect things much at that end of the day. When they kept BST all year round for a couple of years in the late 1970s I didn’t notice any downsides, and it was quite disappointing when they reverted to the status quo ante.

"Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?"
― Tennessee Williams

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Re: Who's fooling whom?

Changing the clocks twice a year doesn't really worry me. It's been going on for as Long as I've lived, and I'm used to it. In the US the advanced clock during the summer is misnamed as  "Daylight Saving Time". That is not what it is or was intended to be. It was supposed to give a saving in power usage. If that is not what it does these days, then it should be done away with. Logically that means that we should stay on "winter" time, that is the real, natural, solar time all year round, not try to kid ourselves that the sun is out of sync!

The times one gets up or goes to bed, or has to get work or the shops etc will automatically be adjusted over time to suit what most people want. No one is prevented from getting up an hour earlier if they want to.

On my working visits to Spain, which despite being farther west than most of the UK, is on Central European time with France, Germany etc,, it was obvious that their population's real daytime had been adjusted to suit. 9am seemed to be the earliest "starting work" time, and at midnight the streets of Madrid were very much still alive, even with young children around.

Perhaps Britain should adopt CET, but as the home of Greenwich, it would be more logical to use GMT at all times.