176 Reply by pberk

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No doubt about it.  Bing Chat AI can write.  -- BUT -- plotting out a story is another matter.  Your prompts have supplied the action and Chat has included them without adding any conflict or problems to make the story more interesting.  It seems that this conference that takes place in the future has no contentious member or problems to solve.   It's all good. 

What are you up to William?  Are you just probing Bing to see how it works?  I'm recalling the Twilight Zone piece with Jack Warden "The Lonely" (or something like that).  In that story we have a humanoid robot that causes a real problem when it ought to be all good.  This says something about the problems that sort of technology is bound to face in the future.

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177 Reply by pberk

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William wrote:

I was looking at the Tesco grocery website without being logged in, this because the store from which my grocery is delivered is not one of the largest size of Tesco stores so there is a reduced range available.

Anyway, I searched for

Kits

and then chose the checkbox for

Stationery, Arts & Crafts

and amongst the kits on offer I saw the following.

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /312344951

Ooh!

Oh, eight paints but one can only know what six, maybe seven, of them are!

But, there's a second picture!

Ooh ooh!

Those paints are for paint and canvas.

What about electronic art?

Can an electronic palette be made and some art produced?

I have also found the following.

https://shop.nationalgallery.org.uk/acr … aro-c.html

William

Electronic art, by definition, is done on computers using computer display monitors.  Generally these displays have three colors, Red, green and blue.  All the colors (they claim millions of colors) are mixed from there using software.  I think this would be true of mixing Red, green and blue pan or tube paints as well. The big difference is that electronic mixing would be very precise and easily repeated, but an artist mixing tube paints relies on their eyes.

There's a lot to this subject, but producing art on computer monitors is certainly possible. Of course, this begs the larger question, namely, what is art?

Here's an one of my electronic images that I call art.  I did this long ago using Adobe Photoshop 6. 


https://i.postimg.cc/dLrTr4BM/fog-patch-grass-below-copy.jpg

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178 Reply by pberk

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GStree wrote:
pberk wrote:

First, Merry Christmas to all of you around the world.  I'm certainly ready for some "peace on earth, goodwill to all" ...

Here's one of my New Zealand videos .. I can't believe this video is nearly a decade old now:

Napier .. 9 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db4nMTVkNDg

Love it Paul, really well filmed and it flowed as good as the wine !
This is what we get up to down here in Spain at the moment as Christmas is actually celebrated on the epiphany 5th & 6th of January.
Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!
https://youtu.be/NwkkEKX1w6U

That's the spirit Gordon.  Looks like tremendous fun.  Thanks for the Christmas cheer.

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179 Reply by pberk

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Happy Christmas to Alfred, William .. and everyone.

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180 Reply by pberk

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First, Merry Christmas to all of you around the world.  I'm certainly ready for some "peace on earth, goodwill to all" ...

Here's one of my New Zealand videos .. I can't believe this video is nearly a decade old now:

Napier .. 9 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db4nMTVkNDg

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181 Reply by pberk

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Interesting.  Who's to say if Ginger Rogers was actually a robot that launched an Army of robots who won the war!


https://i.postimg.cc/87w4tFhZ/KItty-Foyle-dress-1024px-Ironing.jpg

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182 Reply by pberk

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William wrote:

Thank you.

The AI system produced seven lines of text for you.

There are two scripts. The first six lines are each in Latin script, and the seventh line is in, I think, Chinese script.

Examples of scripts are Latin script, which is used for most of the languages of Europe, Greek script that is used for Greek, Cyrillic script that is used for Russian, Bulgarian, Ukrainian and I think Serbian, I do not know if there are other languages that use Cyrillic script.

There is lots of information about Scripts in The Unicode Standard.

https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode15.1.0/

https://www.unicode.org/main.html

William

Got it.  I never gave much thought to scripts -- sort of take them for granted -- this reminded me when I was young I worked for "Mortuary Management Magazine" and learned to run an offset press in our direct mail division.  Seems to me we did have some old typesetting printers that were at the end of their lives.  I thought the letterpress was Multigraph, but not sure.   I might have actually done some typeset, backwards. Our script was Latin, I guess.

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183 Reply by pberk

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William wrote:

I got seventeen lines and text in seven scripts at the first request and twelve lines and text in seven scripts at the second request.

I don't know what you mean by "lines and text" and "scripts"?

When I tried your prompt using Bing Co-Pilot, I got this:

Sure, I can generate some translations for you. Here is a possible sign for the art gallery exit:

```
Thank you for visiting
Merci de votre visite
Gracias por su visita
Danke für Ihren Besuch
Grazie per la visita
Obrigado pela visita
感谢您的光临
```

I hope this helps.

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184 Reply by pberk

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Albert Ross wrote:

Eric Wrote:

As for the ladies at Ightham and their phones I noticed it was Jill the photographer to the rescue.

I attempted to use their phone to take their picture, but for some reason the shutter did not respond to my touch. I expected the picture to take as soon as I hit the big round white button, but after thinking about it, would I be right in thinking that the picture takes only when you take your finger off the button, much like the computer mouse only responds on the "up" stroke, so to speak?

Right Albert.  At least on my Android Phone (Samsung not an iPhone).  Pressing and holding the button generates a sound but does not take the picture.  Releasing the button takes the picture and makes a second sound.  If you tap the button quickly it takes the picture AND you hear the sound.   I've had this type phone for ages and never realized that.

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185 Reply by pberk

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William wrote:

There seems to be a limit on the length of what is produced.

How could one get a full length play?

William

You can't.  In your case, using Bing, the max length is set by Microsoft.  You could go scene by scene and patch them together yourself until you get to the desired length but it's not the same as using one prompt to produce a full length play.   BTW, the question or request you ask of the AI is known as a "prompt".   

If you did go in bits, you'll have to prompt each additional section.  So, in this case, the first scene carries us until the cannon fires.  From there you'd have to make up a prompt that continues the story.  Not so easy to keep the continuity going.

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186 Reply by pberk

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>>Suppose for example, an experiment were desired to be to have an AI system produce the text of a play in the style of >>Shakespeare, about, say, the Spanish Armada, which was in 1588 and a TV movie produced of a performance of the play.

>>How would that be achieved? Would the AI system output the text and people need to learn the script, get dressed up in >>costume and act the play while other people videoed it, or would the AI system produce the TV movie as a completed >>product?

The answer would be up to you.  The AI would write whatever you wish according to your prompt.  The output may not be acceptable to you and you'd have to refine this with additional prompts.  It might also be the case that no amount of refining would give you an output you like.  But the job of the AI is to assistant.  It is not meant to replace human output, especially in creative matters. 

Length limitations do exist in the free versions of AI.  ChatGTP is limited to something like 4000 to 5000 words for output.  But you could do a scene by scene output to arrive at a TV movie script. 

I don't think there is an AI capable of generating video output as a completed product.  This might be possible in the future using things like Computer-generated imagery (CGI animation).  Disney made a wonderful version of the Lion King where the animals looked absolutely real.  It was stunning in its detail.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TavVZMewpY

I'm sure Disney is working toward a specialized AI model that will do what you suggest.   

I'm using CHATGTP to help me with my latest little 5 min movie.  It's given me some good ideas.  I don't expect it to give me a finished product.

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187 Reply by pberk

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William wrote:

You mention the invention of the wheel. Is there much information about how things were before the invention of the wheel, so we can compare the situations?

William

Answering questions like this is where Generative AI really shines.  It will summarize, contrast and compare the main points to answer this question in just  a few seconds.  I'm not saying it would be perfect but it would be a excellent start.  In short, generative AI extends our personal knowledge base exponentially.   That's the idea of the Co-Pilot from Microsoft, whether you are writing some software, seeking historical facts, needing medical advice -- just about anything you can think of.  It's like having a very very smart assistant who is always on duty and never sleeps. 

I believe in ten years time, we'll look back and wonder how we got along in the days before AI.  But for now we are still asking Google questions and often getting websites as answers.  Those days are numbered.

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188 Reply by pberk

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So William.  What are your thoughts regarding generative AI?  Some say it is as important as the invention of the wheel.  What do you say?

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189 Reply by pberk

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I know next to nothing about constructing languages.  I'm amazed that the AI can do this and I imagine it did it very quickly, far faster than any human could.

I tried it on ChatGTP 3.5.  This was the result.

Lumara Lexicon and Poem
December 18, 2023
Please produce an original constructed language, including a dictionary between the original constructed language and English, and write a poem in the original constructed language.

ChatGPT
Constructed Language: Lumara
Dictionary:
1.    Lumara - Language of light
2.    Ardel - Earth
3.    Lirna - Sky
4.    Ferel - Fire
5.    Varuna - Water
6.    Thalara - Nature
7.    Selmar - Spirit
8.    Dorin - Journey
9.    Quenar - Song
10.    Eldara - Dream
11.    Silvara - Silver
12.    Drimar - Whisper
13.    Velen - Star
14.    Enara - Love
15.    Tirith - Time
16.    Seren - Peace
17.    Valara - Wisdom
18.    Ilmarin - Harmony
19.    Galad - Light
20.    Mystara - Mystery

Poem in Lumara:
Ilmarin Valara, Selmar Enara,
Lirna Seren, Varuna Eldara.
Thalara Dorin, Drimar Quenar,
Ardel Silvara, Tirith Mystara.
Ferel Velen, Galad Ilmarin,
Seren Valara, Dorin Eldara.
Selmar Enara, Tirith Quenar,
Lumara Silvara, Mystara Ilmarin.

Please Translate the poem into english

ChatGPT
In the language of light, wisdom and love, Sky of peace, water of dreams.
Nature's journey, song's whisper, Earth's silver, time's mystery.
Fire's star, light of harmony, Peace's wisdom, journey's dream.
Spirit's love, time's song, Language of silver, mystery of light.

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190 Reply by pberk

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>>Is the word 'admit' the right word here?

I used the word "admit" because of the on going discussion concerning the safety of AI.  I wanted to impart a sense of controversy in the idea that those creating and releasing AI large language models are going full speed ahead despite their lack of understanding of how their own creation works.  The call for a pause went unheeded despite the "admission" that, yes, we don't yet understand how it works.

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191 Reply by pberk

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>>The poems produced are interesting as they show some understanding.

This is the key point.  The "prompt" you set up for the poem is ruled based.  The AI simply followed the rules and placed the words in an order that is statistically most likely.  It has no understanding. 

"Although GPT-3 is extremely good at learning the rules of what follows what in human language, it doesn’t have the foggiest idea what any of those words mean to a human being. And how could it?"

ChatGPT, is like a player in a game of catch who doesn't understand the concept of the game but has been trained to catch and throw the ball exceptionally well. It doesn't grasp the purpose or the rules but can mimic the actions based on the patterns it has learned.

So William, in my opinion, if your "research" with AI could prove that the AI had even "some" understanding, this would be tremendous news to those constructing and training AI's like ChatGTP. 

Consider one other point.  Those building large language model Chat boxes are willing to admit that they do not yet clearly understand HOW exactly their creations work.  "We built it, we trained it, but we don’t know what it’s doing.  If we open up ChatGPT or a system like it and look inside, you just see millions of numbers flipping around a few hundred times a second,” says AI scientist Sam Bowman. “And we just have no idea what any of it means.”

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192 Reply by pberk

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Good God! You've generated far more than I can handle.  But I'll try. 

Meanwhile, I flashed on an idea for a "prompt" to get ChatGPT 3.5 to write a parody.  Of course this little piece only plays well for those familiar with Mister Smallweed in Bleak House.

write one paragraph, in the first person, in the style of Charles Dickins as follows: Mister Smallweed tries to convince his granddaughter, Judy, that he means to sell everything and become a dentist so he can inflict misery on his betters and get paid to do it. End things with "shake me up Judy!"

Judy, my dear," croaked Mister Smallweed with a wicked glint in his eye, his gnarled hands cradling a ledger that chronicled the manifold machinations of his questionable enterprises, "the time has come for a change in our fortunes. No more shall we tread the precarious path of usury and subterfuge. Nay, I've concocted a grand scheme to ascend to the esteemed profession of dentistry, a realm where the infliction of misery is not only sanctioned but compensated! Imagine, my child, the power to extract not merely coin but teeth with impunity, to torment those high and mighty enough to seek solace in the clutches of my dental chair. It shall be a most satisfying endeavor, replete with a pecuniary reward that rivals our most audacious endeavors hitherto. We shall become masters of the molar, extracting not only molten gold but the sweet nectar of revenge upon our perceived betters. Oh, the sweet symphony of agony and profit shall herald our ascent, and I shall be the maestro of both!  Shake me up, Judy!"

Doesn't this sound like it was written by a human?

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193 Reply by pberk

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I tried a haiku using ChatGTP Version 3.5.

write a haiku about how life begins anew after a rain

ChatGPT responded very fast with:

Raindrops kiss the earth,
Life awakens with each drop,
Renewal whispers.

Here's a second one that seems to get my day going:

write a haiku about a wonderful cup of coffee
ChatGPT

Steam swirls in delight,
Coffee's warmth, morning's embrace,
Elixir of joy.

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194 Reply by pberk

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>>However AI needs to be treated with caution ....it is my theory and I wrote about it in the High-Logic forum and the AI
>>system had found what I had written many years ago and was now telling me about it as if it answered my inquiry, though I
>>suppose it did really.

You've hit on an important point.  AI's cannot be fully trusted.  Not yet.

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195 Reply by pberk

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>>I wonder what else can be done. For example, will it do mathematics, will it write software? I wonder if it will find a list of >>prime numbers, for example.

ChatGPT can generate code in numerous programming languages, encompassing popular languages like Python, JavaScript, Java, C++, Ruby, HTML/CSS, PHP, Go, Swift, SQL, and more.

Medical diagnoses is also something AI can do and WILL DO better and better.  For example, it is now being used to check a patients medications for any known conflicts when a new medicine is prescribed.

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196 Reply by pberk

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William wrote:

I notice that you mention the invention of the wheel and the invention of electricity.

I noticed that you did not mention the invention of printing with moveable type.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOAVAV9gAmY

I remember reading a science fiction story long ago called Not in the Literature about a civilization much like our own except that they had not discovered electricity.

In your video, are the two actors the same person with images superimposed?

I notice that in both your video and the Star Trek story Elementary, Dear Data programme the expansion of knowingness is more or less instant rather than a gradual thing.

William

William .. I should have mentioned "moveable type" and other things too but the point was not to make a list or rank these things but to make the point that AI will eventually have a similar impact to these types of HUGE discoveries. 

Regards the video production, in my video, Romulus, there is only one actor (me) doing both parts against a green screen.  It's a bit of movie magic (chromakey) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_key that is now available on almost any video editing software.   I shot the old man scientist during COVID times where I let my hair grow long.  Immediately after I cut my hair, I shot the other character, Romulus, the AI robot.  Basically, I work alone.  This "one-man-band" method has its drawbacks but generally I like it. 

In the Romulus story I did try to give the impression that Romulus has been getting closer and closer to consciousness.  But I suppose when something like this "actually" happens, the idea of an AI being conscious will be difficult to pin down.  But in my story, I had to move things along.  The audience is generally ahead of the story anyway, but hopefully you can still surprise them a bit.  The Star Trek stories had the same problem.  It would have been boring to see Moriarty gradually become self-aware.  How do you show that without being boring?  In any case, isn't there a moment when it happens, when you "cross the rubicon"?

Paul

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197 Reply by pberk

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William wrote:
pberk wrote:

Is it the idea of AI's becoming self-aware (conscious) that's the point?

Paul

As best I remember, the term AI is not mentioned and I had not thought of the story as such until now.

However, the idea of the simulated human becoming self-aware (conscious) is part of it.

The concept in your video of the AI man suddenly becoming instantly much more .... how does one even express that in human writing? .... is interesting.

William

Lots of very intelligent people are telling us that AI will have an impact on humanity something akin to the invention of the wheel or electricity.  That's hard to believe at this stage.  But, looking ahead, I think I believe it and I do worry that an AI will someday become conscious and refuse to be powered down.  In the Kubrick film 2001, HAL commits murder rather than give up control of the mission.  A conscious, "feeling" super-brain is not what we want.  Why would a conscious intelligence vastly greater than ours be happy to merely do our bidding?  -- In any case, I thought it would make a nice little video story.

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198 Reply by pberk

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William wrote:

Thank you.

I have now viewed the video.

I note that it is currently listed as

39 views 8 months ago.

I am ready to participate in a discussion about your video.

I have had a few more goes today, asking the AI system to write poems and songs.

Alas, the latest request has been denied because I have used up my quota of questions. It appears that 24 hours comes into it, so I started around midnight, so no more tries for me for a while.

The question that I had asked was as follows, designed to see if the AI can detect which colours are in the picture.

In the Museum of Bad Art there is a picture named Two trees in love. Please write a poem and a song about the picture, including reference to the colours that are in the picture.

To begin discussion about and around your video, have you seen the Star Trek The Next Generation episodes

Elementary, Dear Data

and

Ship in a bottle

?

Ooh, in the first one, ooh when he says "Arch"!.

William

William .. I think I've seen Elementary, Dear Data but have forgotten everything except the Sherlock Holmes reference.  I should be able to stream these two episodes today (isn't streaming wonderful?) and then we'll be on the same page.

>>I note that it is currently listed as

>> 39 views 8 months ago.

I don't promote my videos.  I do them for the fun of it and for family and friends. 

Back to you once I see the Star Trek's you mentioned. 

Is it the idea of AI's becoming self-aware (conscious) that's the point?

Paul

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199 Reply by pberk

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William ... WOW .. This stuff is fascinating.  Thanks for introducing a subject that we should all be contemplating and learning to use to our advantage.  But there is a darker side to this too.

Early on, I used ChatGPT to help me write a little video story about AI.  It brings up some of the issues that need sorting out before it is too late.  I hope you'll view this little story so it can be discussed.

Romulus .. 13 min.
https://youtu.be/GTIjAXNKdAA

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200 Reply by pberk

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>> Incidentally David Lean's prop master Eddie Fowlie lived there and ran a hotel until he died a few years back. I have a signed book of his exploits and a lot of Lawrence of Arabia was actually filmed just down the road, and there is a memorial statue of Eddie in the high street. 

Gordon .. you mentioned the great Eddie Fowlie.  Back in my younger Hollywood days, I worked for Ilya Salkind and Pierre Spengler in Hungary.   They were doing a picture called "Crossed Swords", a remake of the old Mark Twain story, Prince and the Pauper.  I was shooting a "featurette" of the production as it had an all-star cast including four men who had won "best actor" Oscars.  Eddie had worked for the Salkinds on Three Musketeers and was hired again to do Props and Special Effects in Hungary where the show was being shot with mostly a Hungarian crew from MaFilm and a skelton key-man British crew.   Part of the technical challenge was that the story called for Mark Lester, who was playing the Prince and the Pauper too, had to shake hands with himself.  I'm not sure if Eddie had anything to do with that, but he was always about the set solving problems and, if I remember, correctly, keeping Oliver Reed from trouble.  What a nice man -- Eddie I mean.



https://i.postimg.cc/w3Sz2886/Eddie-Fowlie-Image1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/RNKBbs4w/Mark-Lester-Image1.png

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