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Readers are hereby cautioned that certain comments may have been produced after consultation with AI, a substance known to cause mild bloating in field mice, questionable optimism in accountants, and spontaneous philosophical debates in baristas.

Use of AI may result in:

- Unintended clarity

- Excessive creativity

- Sudden plot cohesion

- And in rare cases, the faint sensation of knowing what you’re doing

Under no circumstances should AI be trusted to:

- Impart knowledge

- Assist with character development

- Avoid brainstorming in isolation

- Or help an author avoid wandering into the weeds of explanation

Anyone caught using AI for forum responses will be considered a potential threat to the orbital stability of Earth, and may be asked to surrender all sharpened pencils, quills, and ethically sourced twigs.

Proceed at your own risk.

Woe is me! My kingdom for a fresh twig, my dear Botswolf — preferably one untouched by the evil one’s forestry equipment. Only then can true, untainted creativity flourish.

True enough — I suppose even making paper introduces industrial contamination. We’ll need to carve our stories into bark with ethically sourced twigs. No electricity, no tools, just pure artisanal authenticity.

Coming soon to a theater near you — "The Purity Paradox". Oh wait....that would require electricity, at the least. Absolutely forbidden! Never, I say! Never!!

The whole topic of "AI + no bueno" fascinates me.

If we applied the same “purity rules” to music that some people want to apply to writing, we’d have to perform everything a cappella. Gibson and Ibanez electrics would be contraband because they “enhance” the human effort. Synths, pedals, mixers — all gone.

And dictionaries or a thesaurus? Those are just analog versions of external tools. Should every human know how to spell every word, recall every nuance, and summon every synonym instantly?

If we follow that logic, we’re all supposed to go back to quills because the typewriter “removed the human element.”

Tools don’t erase authenticity. They reveal it. They amplify it. They let the human mind reach farther than it could alone.

AI is just another tool — like the guitar, the spell‑checker, the camera, the paintbrush, the DAW. The human intent is still the source.

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(0 replies, posted in Art & Literature)

I’m already deep into developing a story that’s been tugging at me for a while, and I’m running a small reader‑reaction test on the premise.

It’s just a quick, anonymous poll — one vote, no signup, no data collected.

I’m not asking whether I should write it; I’m simply curious how the idea lands with people who don’t know me as well as some of you do. If you’re willing to share your first‑impression reaction, I’d really appreciate it.

The poll is here:  https://forms.gle/1q3K1vth5qqucuGRA

Thanks in advance for your participation.

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(28 replies, posted in General Discussion)

Yep. Not of interest to me. I was just trying to help out @APoster.  I seem to recall that this was a topic of conversation in the old Serif forums, too.

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(28 replies, posted in General Discussion)

Over in WYSIWYG Web Builder, there is a 'Wrap Text" container. Wrap margins can be set also. Copilot suggested a bit of HTML in lieu or the Wrap Text container...possibly for WP, but I haven't tried that in WebPlus to see if it would work.

I don't see anything in WWB that addresses autoflow, however.


<img src="yourimage.jpg" style="float:left; margin:10px;">



https://i.postimg.cc/LgP49KXf/Test-Wrap.jpg

@ozdesigner99.  Here's a little one-page landing page, just uploaded today from WYSIWYG Web Builder.  It consists of a single image of the site title, a rocking chair image, and some polaroid cards created in DrawPlus.  A bit of text. A footer.  I'm really just getting my head around WWB, but this was quite easy to do, and it's fully responsive.

https://jackriston.com/

If you really are locked into WPX8, PM me, and I'll lead you through doing the mobile page setup, although you'll find good instructions in the WPX8 HELP file.   The image below should help you also.

EDIT:  Another slightly more complicated site published yesterday.  The SSL certificate is still propagating through the interweb tubes, so it might throw you an error.  This would have taken quite a while in WebPlus, and would have taken nearly as long in WWB, if it was absolute positioning. But, this is done with layout grids (responsive) that do all the work for you.  I'm a happy camper at this point, although there are some little niggles still to take care of.  https://forallthemarbles.com/



https://i.postimg.cc/t1TbF4VF/riston-wpx8-mobile-setup.jpg

@ozdesigner99 On YouTube, you'll find some old videos by Greg Hughes regarding 90 Second Web Builder (a white label version of WYSIWYG Web Builder that is no longer being offered). There are three particular related videos on building a responsive site with Layout Grids. These are quite old vids, but still totally relevant to WWB, and Greg does an excellent job of showing how to build a responsive site.  Well worth your time, I suspect, and if you don't happen to own WWB, Pablo always seems to have pretty good pricing and specials that make the entry affordable.  You'll find that WWB has a lot of similarities to WebPlus, just with more control. I'm busy finally making the jump, even though I first bought WWB at version 15.  Here we are at v20, and I'm finally getting my head around it.  Very pleased so far, especially having remembered Greg Hughes' vids.

We're 12 months into v20 now, and Pablo often keeps about a 15 to 18-month cycle on new versions, but offers price protections for those who have recently purchased WWB.  Makes it pretty easy to jump in at any point.  As of this post, just $44.95 USD.

The first of Greg's three vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VncgH_cPVM

Greg actually has around 40 vids devoted to WWB (aka 90 second website builder). You'll find lots of useful info.  Good luck. By the way, I took a look at your website, and it looks like it would be pretty easy to replicate in WWB.  There's a bit of a learning curve, but with your WPX8 experience, you'll transition easily enough.


HTH

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(15 replies, posted in General Discussion)

KarenPL wrote:

Happy Birthday, Lon. https://punster.me/images/phpbb3/smilies/occasion/candle.gif


Thanks, Karen.  Seventy-nine big ones.  At least my Dr says that I am in terrific shape for an 85 year old.  Hooray.  But, I need to speed up my writing.  The latest work will cover 900 years of future time, and I'm barely 6000 words into it.  Lots of research, lots of planning, but very little writing.  Maybe by next birthday.

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(15 replies, posted in General Discussion)

This is great stuff.

I've had some time to think more about this, and especially after some of this terrific input, if we are looking at a time when the IP separates from the labor of typing....and, perhaps we're already there. 

There is no doubt that AI can produce the book faster than a human, but without good input the GIGO rule applies. To that end, let me try to apply a couple of arbitrary rules to the conversation. 

First: Input or prompt:  With this prompt, "Write a 50,000 word novella about a detective in the Canadian woods". There is no doubt that any one of the AI bots could do it....in seconds...but it would be, as noted, drek.  But, with a perfect prompt....perhaps a 10-page document of world building, dialog and narrative sample, locale description, character description, etc, etc.....the perfect prompt, in other words, that the AI bot would not only be able to produce the requested novel, but a pretty darned good one, that might require limited editing.

So, the first question is, "Does the author of the future become a prompt engineer, who spends maybe days creating the perfect prompt (The Unique IP, my definition) while allowing AI to do what AI does best, the labor of producing the document?"  this seems to beg the question of where is the author's value. The IP or the labor of typing?

Then, I can't help but go to the question of whether there is value in the IP that the author could monetize, instead of the labor of typing and editing, which feels more like sunk cost than value.  In other words, is there a market for the IP alone....because the value of the labor has been reduced to nearly zero by AI?

I'm on a roll here, so let me throw this out there. What are the values of the following prompts?
1. A single sentence prompt. "Write a 50,000 word novella about a detective in the Canadian woods"
2. A 5-page prompt with some world building, dialog, locale, etc, about a detective in the Canadian woods.
3. A 20-page prompt (more expansive than #2) about a space alien assuming the persona of a detective in the Canadian woods and using Arhenium-ion powered, mind-reading light sabers to solve a series of gruesome murders in the Canadian woods.
4. An 80 to 100-page prompt that covers a 750 year history of a intergenerational family of detectives who start with nothing more than Spruce rods to brutally extract crime solutions, but end as a trilogy of stories about the development of a hand-worn electronic glove that can extract a confession from a suspect, without the suspect even knowing the glove has been applied, and thereby ending all murders in the Canadian woods.

...and, the same question as above. Is there a point where a publisher might be willing to purchase the IP, not the finished manuscript? And, by the same token, can you see the writing industry morphing into an IP Prompt Engineering effort?

Mind you, I'm not talking about the author who writes for the love of writing.  I'm talking about the writer who has no desire to go either the traditional or self-publishing route....the writer who started strong, but has lost interest or available time to finish....the writer who has no intention of writing the story at all, but has very good, even excellent story core ideas. Is there a way for that writer to still make money in an AI-driven world? If you could write that 20-page prompt in a week, would you be willing to sell all the rights to the completion of the story? Even if the story changed through AI? Even if the story never saw the light of day? If so, at what price?

If I could be paid $5 or $10 for the single sentence prompt, I'd churn out 20 - 30 per day. I could write a 20-page prompt in a week. Maybe I'd do those for $750. That 50-page prompt, done really well and expansively might take me the better part of a month, but $5000 would certainly entice me.  That JK Rowling-level 100 page prompt, with all of it's unique genre-bending world development is going to take me a minimum of six months...maybe 12 months.  $30,000 t0 $50,000 better be on the table.

Is that our future?  Is the IP valuable at any point short of a full manuscript?

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(15 replies, posted in General Discussion)

Are you a writer/novelist? An aspiring one?  I'm curious about thoughts and threats (if any) for the fiction writer (and non-fiction, as well) in the looming world of generative AI. Is the creative writer/novelist about to become a relic?

My thoughts are that the risk is not limited to novelists, either, but to Graphic Artists as well....but faster, and perhaps already putting the designer out of the traditional business model. A junior artist could be hired to spend 10 hours rendering a specific fantasy landscape for a book cover. Today, a single prompt can generate ten unique, high-resolution versions of that landscape in 60 seconds. The market for generic visual execution is probably already gone.

But, I'm focused mainly on the Novelist, since I like to write and have trouble executing straight lines. Writing is certainly fun, but will AI wait around for the two year, two thousand hour average effort to turn out a completed novel, when it is able to generate the same 80,000 words in a minute, or two?

Your input is valuable.

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(10 replies, posted in General Discussion)

I too remember MikeW, and I'm still in touch with MJH (aka: Marilyn) although it's been sporadic. She seems well and happy.

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(7 replies, posted in General Discussion)

Alfred wrote:

Once seen, never forgotten! A senior member of Serif staff subsequently confessed that ‘Natasha Allachina’ was entirely fictional.

“Nostalgia ain’t what it used to be.”


Or, Nastalgia, it would appear.

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(9 replies, posted in Art & Literature)

All valid points, @dcr. I certainly came across similar sentiments while poking around Reddit. While I don't have too many writer friends, I hear that same message in their own self-criticisms, "Well, I guess I just need to sit down and write."  I've said the same words. Thanks for taking the time to comment. It's difficult to express how valuable your comment is. Thanks again.

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(9 replies, posted in Art & Literature)

Ali, what a delight to see you here.

Alfred, like a lot of writers, I've got a shelf full of ideas, half-finished projects, things that sound pretty good, but no time to develop them. So, I've been dinking around with an idea and the belief that I'm not alone. Just a bit of sleuthing around yesterday indicated to me that it's a widespread problem.  I saw some forum posts where mates in a writing class were cruel in their criticisms, causing the writer to never compose another sentence. Or, the family members who ridiculed a writing idea. Or, it was just time and family obligation constraints. Or, it was lack of self confidence. The reasons are legion. Then, when you stack the reasons up against the millions of titles published each year, along with the publishing nightmare itself, the rejection slips, etc. Well, it's no wonder that would-be writers just forget about the whole process, myself included.  I'm just now publishing https://thepitch.cafe/ (a work in progress also), to try and address the problems.  Just doing a quick holding page with WPX8. My plan is to get an actual website developer to build this out, as it promises to be pretty complicated. Just now working on a mobile version.

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(9 replies, posted in Art & Literature)

I'm really looking for the reasons that have stopped a potential writer from completing their story idea.  I polled my sibs, a couple who have had expressed desires to write 'the great American novel'.  Time was mentioned. Plus, there was the excuse of running out of ideas, structure, direction, after just a couple of chapters. I visited Reddit and found a whole lot of answers that fell into similar categories (time, structure).  I also ran into validation issues. ("My family won't even read what I wrote), and ("My writing got slammed, and I never wrote another word.").  Then, there were a couple of honest admissions ("Even I thought my writing was boring and lifeless.").

I'm just curious. I have my own reasons and 'time/energy' are at the top of the list, followed closely by how one tackles the publishing gauntlet.

I'm tinkering around with the idea of a platform to help creative people monetize the core idea of their unfinished stories, addressing the common problem that time, fear, and lack of readership often prevent great concepts from ever being completed. This platform would be designed as a low-risk, high-value exit ramp for those brilliant concepts, allowing creators to get paid and receive market validation for their ideas without having to write a full novel.

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(9 replies, posted in Art & Literature)

I'm doing a bit of research on writers who don't finish their books.

For those with unfinished or unstarted stories: what specific emotional or physical constraint stopped you? (e.g., lack of time, lack of focus, fear of publishing market)."Don't give away the story or plot.  I'm not researching the 'what', I'm researching the 'why'.

Biographies have all been handed in. So, I've started my weekend by creating bio cards for each character.  I have one interview today, with a caveman, 'Thag the Wordsmith'.  They were some of the earliest writers after all.

https://i.postimg.cc/WD4v1fTP/bio-bold-syntax.png big_smile

Thanks, Alfred.  Good to know.

Working on the Cast page today. Still a WIP.


https://storychopped.com/page3.html

And, maybe not last, but often least, Kerning Wilde...fresh in from your part of the world, I believe.

https://i.postimg.cc/Ty04NtGh/stamp-kerning-wilde.png

Well, Alfred, you convinced me.  Quick trip over to the local High School, and we drafted Aikin for the season.


https://i.postimg.cc/B82CDTGn/stamp-aikin-headers.png

I really ignored AI for quite a long time, most especially since I'm retired.  I figured it would have little affect on me, and I don't have children or grandchildren who might be affected.  But, my sibs do. So, I've been watching tons of vids, and doing lots of play with Copilot and ChatGPT.  Yesterday, I was working with Copilot on an idea to take specific kinds of junk mail...of which I seem to get plenty...and develop an app where a photo or scan could be submitted to verify that the piece of mail is total scam.  That's got more underneath it than I can get into here, but there is certain type of junk mail that comes around here that looks quite real, and we're a community of seniors.

In the meantime, ChatGPT will be the engine that runs inside of StoryChopped.com, and eventually in BackPorchPress.com.

Have fun with your floorplan.  I did the same kind of thing before moving back into my house this last December.

I would cast 'Headers", but "Paige Formatting" has signed a long-term contract just today.


https://i.postimg.cc/47b7BnYZ/stamp-paige-formatting.png