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Please write an original sonnet that as the proposition states what is available and as the resolution suggests how they may be applied. On a computer, Affinity Designer has a Pencil Tool. The colour of the Pencil Tool can be set to a choice from a palette. A human may use the Pencil Tool to draw images in the computer. Off a computer, there are Staedtler Noris coloured pencils. A  human may use the pencils to draw images on paper. The colour palette of the pencils is available on the web, so the same colour palette can be used both in the computer and on the paper.


In realms of pixels, a tool takes flight,
Affinity's Pencil, a beacon bright.
A palette of hues at one's command,
To draw and design, as projects demand.

On paper's expanse, under human hand,
Lie Staedtler's colours, a spectrum grand.
From web's vast resources, the palette's found,
In both realms, the artist is unbound.

Apply these tools, in digital and real,
Let creativity in your heart unseal.
With palette consistent, and vision clear,
Bring forth the images you hold dear.

So draw, dear human, with colours bold,
In tales of art, let your story be told.

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https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /287130153

https://www.staedtler.com/uk/en/product … l-185-c12/

Please note that the palette at the right of the page has colour names as tooltip display.

The palette at the left has the palette in the order that the pencils are in the box.

A box of 24 coloured pencils is also available.

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I don't know if these are new at Tesco, or just new online at the local store.

Tesco A4 Document Box

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /274658654

They are out of stock at the local store at present but i got a few delivered a couple of weeks ago. £3 each.

I find them excellent. An A4 document has space around it so no bending at the corners.

Also good for storing coloured pencils.

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I don't know if these are new at Tesco, or just new online at the local store.

The latter, apparently. They’re available in my local store, but one of the two reviews (both five-star, and both from a few years ago) says “Gutted that it's not available to buy online.”

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Also good for storing coloured pencils.

When stored in such a large box, don’t your pencils rattle around at the slightest provocation? I would be inclined to keep a set of coloured pencils in the slim little cardboard box that they came in.

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Also good for storing coloured pencils.

When stored in such a large box, don’t your pencils rattle around at the slightest provocation? I would be inclined to keep a set of coloured pencils in the slim little cardboard box that they came in.

Well, they are. In the box, the box in an A4 document case.

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Well, they are. In the box, the box in an A4 document case.

Oh, silly me! https://punster.me/images/laugh.gif

By the way, congratulations on your posting milestone (or perhaps that should be ‘mille-stone’).

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William wrote:

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /287130153

https://www.staedtler.com/uk/en/product … l-185-c12/

Please note that the palette at the right of the page has colour names as tooltip display.

The palette at the left has the palette in the order that the pencils are in the box.

A box of 24 coloured pencils is also available.

Do you like the range of colours? (I’ve just been looking at something else that reminded me of Pantone’s Colours of Vitality.)

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Alfred wrote:
William wrote:

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /287130153

https://www.staedtler.com/uk/en/product … l-185-c12/

Please note that the palette at the right of the page has colour names as tooltip display.

The palette at the left has the palette in the order that the pencils are in the box.

A box of 24 coloured pencils is also available.

Do you like the range of colours? (I’ve just been looking at something else that reminded me of Pantone’s Colours of Vitality.)

I have the 24 pack too, but I have not used them yet. I did a check online at the Staedtler website and at a first look the 12 pencil set is a subset of the 24 pencil set.

I tried working through a process.

I had one of these frames without the clear plastic layer in it,

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /308622379

(The picture does not show the latest version of these frames. Each of the ones that I have bought recently have an optional use mount for a 9 inch by 7 inch photograph included, the size of the aperture being 8.5 inches by 6.5 inches.)

having framed some paper. Actually a folded in half sheet of a Tesco A3 drawing pad as they had not got an A4 drawing pad in stock for delivery. The mount in place, but nothing fixed to it. So a firm drawing pad, with the mount as a guide to the limit of the size of the picture.

I then drew a picture, using various of the colour pencils.

I then removed the completed drawing from the firm drawing pad and framed some blank drawing paper in the firm drawing pad, ready for another drawing session.

I framed the picture in a frame of the same type with the transparent layer in place, and including the mount, though the mount does not have anything attached to it.

So now I have a framed drawing that I produced with the coloured pencils. The inclusion of the mount makes it look very good in my opinion.

So, having gone through the process from blank paper to framed picture, the next stage, not yet tried, is to use the same process to try to produce another picture.

The range of colours was fine for what I was drawing, just a fictional scene, landscape format, yellow with a bit of orange sun at upper left, clouds with a light blue edge with a light blue sky represented with horizontal lines, a range of green hills at the horizon drawn after drawing a house with a red roof, and some blue irises at lower left and some rows of green vegetables growing at lower right. So mostly the slightly off white drawing paper, yet with coloured pencil lines drawn on it, no areas full of colour. Just a picture to go from zero to having produced something to get started and go through the process.

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By the way, congratulations on your posting milestone (or perhaps that should be ‘mille-stone’).

Thank you.

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I have the 24 pack too, but I have not used them yet. I did a check online at the Staedtler website and at a first look the 12 pencil set is a subset of the 24 pencil set.

Yes, it is. I have a complete list of the original 12, and a list of the extra 12 that make up the set of 24, if anyone is sufficiently interested. I’m not planning to look in detail at any larger sets!

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I have the 24 pack too, but I have not used them yet. I did a check online at the Staedtler website and at a first look the 12 pencil set is a subset of the 24 pencil set.

Yes, it is. I have a complete list of the original 12, and a list of the extra 12 that make up the set of 24, if anyone is sufficiently interested. I’m not planning to look in detail at any larger sets!

I am interested please.

I am hoping to set the 12 pencil palette up in Affinity Designer and to try to draw much the same picture using the Pencil Tool and possibly the Pen Tool.

The twelve pencil set is fine for doing a general drawing. I suppose that issues arrive if one is wanting to draw with some accuracy an image of, say, a bird, where one wants to get the colour of the drawing to match the colour of the bird.

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I am interested please.

I thought you might be! Please bear with me while I look up the details.

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I am interested please.

I thought you might be! Please bear with me while I look up the details.

OK, here we go. The set of 12 comprises these colours:

10 light yellow
43 peach
  4 orange
  2 red

20 magenta
61 red violet
  3 blue
30 pale blue

50 willow green
  5 green
76 van dyke brown
  9 black

The set of 24 adds these colours:

0 white
  1 yellow
23 bordeaux
29 carmine red
33 cobalt blue
35 turquoise

42 light orange
49 fawn
57 olive green
  6 violet
73 burnt sienna
80 light grey

Please don’t focus too much on the grouping. The three groups of four in the original list correspond to the arrangement of the swatches on the web page, and the two groups of six on the supplementary list simply reflect the way I recorded them at the time.

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Thank you.

Alas, the pencils do not have the numbers on them, so I take great care to keep them in the order that they are in the box.

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On

https://www.staedtler.com/uk/en/product … l-185-c12/

the colours are listed on tooltips on the palette at the right of the page but not in box order

yet

the colours are listed in box order on the palette at the left of the web page but no tooltips.

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You will note that, for example, we have:

5 green
      50 willow green
      57 olive green

The set of 36 brush pens (see my later post) adds mint and jade green, thusly:

5 green
      50 willow green
         505 mint
         506 jade green
      57 olive green

Similarly, that set includes these yellows:

1 yellow
      10 light yellow
         105 pastel yellow
      16 golden ochre

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Ooh!

The thing is I got the 12 pencil set and the 24 pencil set delivered with the grocery by Tesco.

Where can someone get the 36 pencil set please?

The search is on!

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I have never tried drawing with a white pencil.

I suppose that drawing in white on red paper could give a stylish result.

I wonder if Bing Chat AI can produce coloured pencil drawings.

Ah, I wonder what would be produced if Bing Chat AI is asked to produce a coloured pencil drawing and is prompted with the description that I wrote yesterday of what I had drawn with coloured pencils.

I need to copy what I wrote yesterday!

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https://www.staedtler.com/uk/en/product … -185-cd36/

Though I suppose that those colours could be used in Affinity Designer.

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I’m not planning to look in detail at any larger sets!

Although I said I wasn’t planning to do so, I didn’t promise not to look in detail at any larger sets. When I found this list of 36 colours — for pigment brush pens rather than pencils— the three-digit numbers caught my eye, prompting me to investigate further. Now that I’ve seen your further post about the pencils, I note that the colours in the set of 36 pencils are not exactly the same as those in the set of 36 brush pens (e.g. ‘77 warm sepia’ in the pencils, but ‘76 brown’ in the brush pens).

The 12-colour set includes five base colours: red, blue, orange, green, and black. The 24-colour set adds white, yellow, and violet to the list. The 36-colour set implies additional base colours ‘7 brown’ and ‘8 grey’.

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Ooh!

The thing is I got the 12 pencil set and the 24 pencil set delivered with the grocery by Tesco.

Where can someone get the 36 pencil set please?

The search is on!

William

If you have an Amazon account you can get them from there, although the delivery charges will amount to an additional £4 or £5 unless you order at least £25 worth of goods that are dispatched by Amazon. There are numerous online stationery specialists you could try, but again you should expect a delivery charge of £3 or so for a small order.

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An interesting and delightful result of having been doing stuff with desktop publishing software for many years is the way that later developments have interacted with things that had been done years before when the available facilities were not as they later developed.

For example, the following PDF document that I produced about twenty years ago,

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/drawing2.PDF

an A3 size picture. At the time I thought it would perhaps never be printed at an A3 size.

In 2022 I bought five prints, printed A3 on 350 gsm paper (like thin card) by Viking Virtual Print House.

Anyway, writing about drawing in white on red paper I later remembered that many years ago, perhaps 2002 even, using the Softy program, I included in a font some drawings and I remember trying them out as white text on a red background, just electronic files.

So, as things have developed I am thinking that I can try to obtain some A3 landscape prints of the drawings in perhaps a white colour that is not (r, g, b) = (255, 255, 255) upon a red background that is not (r, g, b) = (255, 0, 0). A softer look.

The artwork in the early font got copied into a later font made using FontCreator.

The drawings are in the Private Use Area of the Quest text font, somewhere around U+E700.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/fonts.htm

Surprise, looking down that web page I found this A3 PDF document.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/quest4.pdf

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350 gsm paper (like thin card)

I regard 350 gsm as quite thick! Many consumer-grade printers won’t handle anything heavier than 200 gsm or so, even if the paper path is a straight one.

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I found that 350 gsm for colour printing is not as thick as 350 gsm for black and white printing at Viking Virtual Print House. The gsm (grammes per square metre) is not a measure of thickness as there are other factors as to the nature of the paper.

Black and white prints of my faux lino cut were thicker than colour prints of other artwork.

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Alfred wrote:
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350 gsm paper (like thin card)

I regard 350 gsm as quite thick! Many consumer-grade printers won’t handle anything heavier than 200 gsm or so, even if the paper path is a straight one.

I use this "canvas" type paper for things where I want a "canvas" art look.  It's textured like canvas.   
It's 340gsm and works well in my HP8740 printer.


https://i.postimg.cc/k6b7Cq6F/Ink-Jet-Canvas-Document-2024-02-18-114119.jpg