https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /287130153

https://www.staedtler.com/uk/en/product … l-185-c12/

Please note that the palette at the right of the page has colour names as tooltip display.

The palette at the left has the palette in the order that the pencils are in the box.

A box of 24 coloured pencils is also available.

The latter, apparently. They’re available in my local store, but one of the two reviews (both five-star, and both from a few years ago) says “Gutted that it's not available to buy online.”

When stored in such a large box, don’t your pencils rattle around at the slightest provocation? I would be inclined to keep a set of coloured pencils in the slim little cardboard box that they came in.

Oh, silly me!

By the way, congratulations on your posting milestone (or perhaps that should be ‘mille-stone’).

I have the 24 pack too, but I have not used them yet. I did a check online at the Staedtler website and at a first look the 12 pencil set is a subset of the 24 pencil set.

I tried working through a process.

I had one of these frames without the clear plastic layer in it,

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p … /308622379

(The picture does not show the latest version of these frames. Each of the ones that I have bought recently have an optional use mount for a 9 inch by 7 inch photograph included, the size of the aperture being 8.5 inches by 6.5 inches.)

having framed some paper. Actually a folded in half sheet of a Tesco A3 drawing pad as they had not got an A4 drawing pad in stock for delivery. The mount in place, but nothing fixed to it. So a firm drawing pad, with the mount as a guide to the limit of the size of the picture.

I then drew a picture, using various of the colour pencils.

I then removed the completed drawing from the firm drawing pad and framed some blank drawing paper in the firm drawing pad, ready for another drawing session.

I framed the picture in a frame of the same type with the transparent layer in place, and including the mount, though the mount does not have anything attached to it.

So now I have a framed drawing that I produced with the coloured pencils. The inclusion of the mount makes it look very good in my opinion.

So, having gone through the process from blank paper to framed picture, the next stage, not yet tried, is to use the same process to try to produce another picture.

The range of colours was fine for what I was drawing, just a fictional scene, landscape format, yellow with a bit of orange sun at upper left, clouds with a light blue edge with a light blue sky represented with horizontal lines, a range of green hills at the horizon drawn after drawing a house with a red roof, and some blue irises at lower left and some rows of green vegetables growing at lower right. So mostly the slightly off white drawing paper, yet with coloured pencil lines drawn on it, no areas full of colour. Just a picture to go from zero to having produced something to get started and go through the process.

William

Yes, it is. I have a complete list of the original 12, and a list of the extra 12 that make up the set of 24, if anyone is sufficiently interested. I’m not planning to look in detail at any larger sets!

I thought you might be! Please bear with me while I look up the details.

Thank you.

Alas, the pencils do not have the numbers on them, so I take great care to keep them in the order that they are in the box.

William

You will note that, for example, we have:

The set of 36 brush pens (see my later post) adds mint and jade green, thusly:

Similarly, that set includes these yellows:

I have never tried drawing with a white pencil.

I suppose that drawing in white on red paper could give a stylish result.

I wonder if Bing Chat AI can produce coloured pencil drawings.

Ah, I wonder what would be produced if Bing Chat AI is asked to produce a coloured pencil drawing and is prompted with the description that I wrote yesterday of what I had drawn with coloured pencils.

I need to copy what I wrote yesterday!

William

Although I said I wasn’t planning to do so, I didn’t promise not to look in detail at any larger sets. When I found this list of 36 colours — for pigment brush pens rather than pencils— the three-digit numbers caught my eye, prompting me to investigate further. Now that I’ve seen your further post about the pencils, I note that the colours in the set of 36 pencils are not exactly the same as those in the set of 36 brush pens (e.g. ‘77 warm sepia’ in the pencils, but ‘76 brown’ in the brush pens).

The 12-colour set includes five base colours: red, blue, orange, green, and black. The 24-colour set adds white, yellow, and violet to the list. The 36-colour set implies additional base colours ‘7 brown’ and ‘8 grey’.

An interesting and delightful result of having been doing stuff with desktop publishing software for many years is the way that later developments have interacted with things that had been done years before when the available facilities were not as they later developed.

For example, the following PDF document that I produced about twenty years ago,

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/drawing2.PDF

an A3 size picture. At the time I thought it would perhaps never be printed at an A3 size.

In 2022 I bought five prints, printed A3 on 350 gsm paper (like thin card) by Viking Virtual Print House.

Anyway, writing about drawing in white on red paper I later remembered that many years ago, perhaps 2002 even, using the Softy program, I included in a font some drawings and I remember trying them out as white text on a red background, just electronic files.

So, as things have developed I am thinking that I can try to obtain some A3 landscape prints of the drawings in perhaps a white colour that is not (r, g, b) = (255, 255, 255) upon a red background that is not (r, g, b) = (255, 0, 0). A softer look.

The artwork in the early font got copied into a later font made using FontCreator.

The drawings are in the Private Use Area of the Quest text font, somewhere around U+E700.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/fonts.htm

Surprise, looking down that web page I found this A3 PDF document.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/quest4.pdf

William

I found that 350 gsm for colour printing is not as thick as 350 gsm for black and white printing at Viking Virtual Print House. The gsm (grammes per square metre) is not a measure of thickness as there are other factors as to the nature of the paper.

Black and white prints of my faux lino cut were thicker than colour prints of other artwork.

William