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13 things everyone should know about Pete Hegseth

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Secretary of Defense is one of the most complex and consequential positions on earth. The person in that position is responsible for overseeing the world's largest bureaucracy, the Department of Defense, with over 2.6 million employees and a budget of over $840 billion. The Secretary of Defense is tasked with managing this massive institution to ensure the short-term and long-term security of the United States.

On Wednesday, President-elect Donald Trump nominated Pete Hegseth, the weekend co-host of Fox & Friends, to be the next Secretary of Defense.

"Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?"
― Tennessee Williams

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This story simply brings to the fore the single thing that Trump seeks in an appointee:  Loyalty and iron-clad support of Trumpian philosophy and his un-American, anti-Constitutional goals.

The Trump cabinet and other appointees point to only one conclusion:  Utter disaster for the country, and damage to the world at large.

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Robert The Texan wrote:

This story simply brings to the fore the single thing that Trump seeks in an appointee:  Loyalty and iron-clad support of Trumpian philosophy and his un-American, anti-Constitutional goals.

The Trump cabinet and other appointees point to only one conclusion:  Utter disaster for the country, and damage to the world at large.

What's your take on Biden who has just invited Putin to participate in WW3?

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

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Good question.  Putin's occasional saber-rattling regarding the use of nukes in Ukraine leaves me uneasy, if for no other reason than I have personal loathing of the damned things.  For a spell I worked on a delivery system for ICBMs, that being the Ohio-class SSBN.  We had nothing to do with the weapons themselves; we built the things that took them to places where they could do their thing... that being launch.

One might argue that the use of "tactical" nuclear weapons is simply using something with a bigger bang.  There are conventional weapons that produce bangs not much less than artillery-fired nukes. Having said that, once "tactical" nukes are used of one scale it is easier to use intermediate-yield nukes with increasingly greater yields until one reaches the level of city-killers.  If anyone believes that global thermonuclear war is survivable and everything would be hunky-dory after the radioactive dust settles and somebody is declared the winner, know this:  There would be no winner...  Just scatterings of miserable, starving, poisoned short-term survivors.

I suggest the viewing of the movies "On The Beach" and "The Day After".

I understand that the use of nuclear weapons in WWII shortened the war and likely saved the lives not only of hordes of Allied soldiers but of Japanese civilians as well.  I also understand that had Hitler's minions developed the weapon first he likely would have killed London and won the war.  Further, I understand the the Soviets had expressed interest in nuclear weapons research and even without our proving such things were feasible would ultimately have developed the accursed things themselves.

My point is that nuclear weapons are a genie that should NEVER have been let out of the bottle... by anyone.  No other weapon has the potential to utterly destroy civilization as we know it and poison Earth for thousands of years.

Without the advent of nuclear weapons the United States would ultimately have prevailed over Japan at enormous cost.  Without the advent of nuclear weapons the United States would ultimately have gone to war with the Soviet Union in Europe, but with conventional weapons.  Without the advent of nuclear weapons Kim Jung Un would not represent the threat he does in his neck of the global woods.  Without the advent of nuclear weapons China just might be better behaved and more focused on dealing with its internal issues and less on threatening Taiwan.  Without the advent of nuclear weapons the Middle East would still be volatile, but without the threat of some of the really bad actors getting nukes and vaporizing Israel (which has its own nukes).

I hate the goddamned things.

Regarding Biden's action, I understand it but fear it at the same time.  The singer Sting has a song "I Hope The Russians Love Their Children Too".  It would seem the ball is now in Putin's court.  The man is intelligent, but he is driven by the urge to reestablish the Soviet Union.  Should Ukraine yield to him what he has currently occupied, in time the remainder of Ukraine will as well.  Then will come Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania...  he wants to be Peter The Great, the first emperor of all Russia.

I hope he loves his people's children too.

Apologies for the long retort.

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It’s pretty old now, but I think this Tom Lehrer song still resonates.

"Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?"
― Tennessee Williams

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Robert The Texan wrote:

Should Ukraine yield to him what he has currently occupied, in time the remainder of Ukraine will as well.

I’m afraid I can’t quite unravel that sentence, Robert. Is there a typo in there, or perhaps some words missing?

"Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?"
― Tennessee Williams

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Apologies for the awkward wording.  The meaning is that if Putin is allowed to keep currently occupied Ukranian territory, in time he will get the rest of it as well.

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Robert The Texan wrote:

Apologies for the awkward wording.  The meaning is that if Putin is allowed to keep currently occupied Ukranian territory, in time he will get the rest of it as well.

Gotcha now, thanks!

"Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?"
― Tennessee Williams

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Putin has two sons. One nine and one five years of age.  Maybe that's a deterrent.

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One can only hope.  Getting back to my earlier screed, while war with modern conventional weapons is horrible enough they do not represent an existential threat to nearly all higher forms of life on this planet and certainly the obliteration of civilization as we know it.  While I worked in the Ohio-class SSBN program I would pray at night the things would never be called upon to perform their ultimate function... that being the launching of nuclear-tipped ICBMs.  Anyone morbidly interested in the firepower the boats carry can simply Wiki the subject.  The stuff I had access to was declassified quite some time ago.

I believe I have told the tale of my exit interview with the Head Dude of Security when I left my then-employer.  If I have not and anyone is curious I will tell a story I find amusing.

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Robert The Texan wrote:

I believe I have told the tale of my exit interview with the Head Dude of Security when I left my then-employer.  If I have not and anyone is curious I will tell a story I find amusing.

That sounds like a story well worth telling, Robert! If you find it amusing, you have no reason to think that it won’t also be amusing to at least some of your audience here.

"Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?"
― Tennessee Williams

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Robert The Texan wrote:

One can only hope.  Getting back to my earlier screed, while war with modern conventional weapons is horrible enough they do not represent an existential threat to nearly all higher forms of life on this planet and certainly the obliteration of civilization as we know it.  While I worked in the Ohio-class SSBN program I would pray at night the things would never be called upon to perform their ultimate function... that being the launching of nuclear-tipped ICBMs.  Anyone morbidly interested in the firepower the boats carry can simply Wiki the subject.  The stuff I had access to was declassified quite some time ago.

I believe I have told the tale of my exit interview with the Head Dude of Security when I left my then-employer.  If I have not and anyone is curious I will tell a story I find amusing.

I'd like to hear it.

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I worked in a facility surrounded by a cyclone fence with nasty-looking strands of barbed wire along the top.  When I checked in in the morning at the guard shack I retrieved my ID badge from a rack, walked over to the guard (by the way, all the security dudes were armed and had nasty dispositions), and handed it to him.  He would then look at the badge, look at me, and convince himself I was the guy pictured on the badge.  He then made an issue of tapping it, as if to say, "This is you." and would hand it to me.  Thus would begin my day.  The whole site was secured.

Leaving the site in the evening was a matter of opening one's briefcase or whatever and having the exit guard go through it.  My last act was replacing my badge in its place in the rack.

The bottom line is this place was by-God serious about security.  Everybody on site, even the cafeteria help, had a clearance.

When I resigned, for reasons not germane to this discussion, I had an exit interview with the Head Cheese Of Security... a guy with a reputation for having absolutely NO sense of humor.  He and I sat down, he guided me through multiple pages of stuff outlining my responsibilities regarding classified information, had me sign at least a dozen pages, and closed with words along these lines:  "Sir, if you should ever choose to visit a country that is a member of the Soviet Bloc or any other Communist country, you must first contact the nearest office of (several names here which have changed over the years but are governmental since the government owns the place where I worked) and let them know your plans."  Yeah, right, I thought.  I wanted to say, "The next time I plan to see Havana, Pyongmang,  Beijing, Beautiful Downtown Tirana (the capital of Albania), or other such places I'll be sure to let you know."  Instead I meekly signed on the dotted line.

It was an interesting and very challenging place to work.  In closing, I have a final tale.  The site had several roles, one of which was work on nuclear fuel for the boats.  We had nuclear physicists tweaking this stuff in very highly secured areas.  An eye-opening experience is to hear a voice come over the speaker system saying something along the lines of:  "Attention! A radiation release situation has developed in Building XYZ.  Close all windows.  Turn off all air conditioning systems.  Avoid all suspicious smoke clouds (that is a quote) and stand by until further notice."

I have never been inclined to rush toward "Suspicious smoke clouds" under the best of conditions.  To be cautioned not to do so during a "Radiation Release Situation" seems to be just a wee bit of overkill in spreading alarm.  This happened three times during my time there.

I confess I miss the place.  I wish I had worked on the Virginia-class SSN.

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Robert The Texan wrote:

I worked in a facility surrounded by a cyclone fence with nasty-looking strands of barbed wire along the top.  When I checked in in the morning at the guard shack I retrieved my ID badge from a rack, walked over to the guard (by the way, all the security dudes were armed and had nasty dispositions), and handed it to him.  He would then look at the badge, look at me, and convince himself I was the guy pictured on the badge.  He then made an issue of tapping it, as if to say, "This is you." and would hand it to me.  Thus would begin my day.  The whole site was secured.

Leaving the site in the evening was a matter of opening one's briefcase or whatever and having the exit guard go through it.  My last act was replacing my badge in its place in the rack.

The bottom line is this place was by-God serious about security.  Everybody on site, even the cafeteria help, had a clearance.

When I resigned, for reasons not germane to this discussion, I had an exit interview with the Head Cheese Of Security... a guy with a reputation for having absolutely NO sense of humor.  He and I sat down, he guided me through multiple pages of stuff outlining my responsibilities regarding classified information, had me sign at least a dozen pages, and closed with words along these lines:  "Sir, if you should ever choose to visit a country that is a member of the Soviet Bloc or any other Communist country, you must first contact the nearest office of (several names here which have changed over the years but are governmental since the government owns the place where I worked) and let them know your plans."  Yeah, right, I thought.  I wanted to say, "The next time I plan to see Havana, Pyongmang,  Beijing, Beautiful Downtown Tirana (the capital of Albania), or other such places I'll be sure to let you know."  Instead I meekly signed on the dotted line.

It was an interesting and very challenging place to work.  In closing, I have a final tale.  The site had several roles, one of which was work on nuclear fuel for the boats.  We had nuclear physicists tweaking this stuff in very highly secured areas.  An eye-opening experience is to hear a voice come over the speaker system saying something along the lines of:  "Attention! A radiation release situation has developed in Building XYZ.  Close all windows.  Turn off all air conditioning systems.  Avoid all suspicious smoke clouds (that is a quote) and stand by until further notice."

I have never been inclined to rush toward "Suspicious smoke clouds" under the best of conditions.  To be cautioned not to do so during a "Radiation Release Situation" seems to be just a wee bit of overkill in spreading alarm.  This happened three times during my time there.

I confess I miss the place.  I wish I had worked on the Virginia-class SSN.

Good grief.  I take it you survived.

I remember my Army training.  The drill Sgt advised us that in the event of nuclear combat, a bright white cloud might be visible before the sound or force of the any explosion could be heard or felt.  In that case, the best action to take was to very quickly turn away, spread your feet apart, bend at the waist and kiss your ass goodbye.

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As it turns out these radiation alerts turned out to be nothing significant.  These things were triggered back in the parts of the plant where the outer space deep science nuclear fuel research took place, and dweebs like myself didn't have a high enough clearance to get anywhere near these areas.  Parts of the facility were much more spooky than others.  Having said that, these alerts went out to all parts of the facility.

Regarding your training, your drill sergeant omitted one little detail:  if you actually saw the burst flash, it likely was the last thing you would ever see even if you survived the experience.  I kid thee not when I say I hate those goddamned things.

I have another tale regarding a guy I met who was a civilian working in Japan when the Japanese decided they wanted to mess up Pearl Harbor.  I found his stories of life in Japan after that event and after Hiroshima and Nagasaki interesting.  Again, I may have already told the tale.  I can tell it again if anybody cares to hear it.

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Robert The Texan wrote:

As it turns out these radiation alerts turned out to be nothing significant.  These things were triggered back in the parts of the plant where the outer space deep science nuclear fuel research took place, and dweebs like myself didn't have a high enough clearance to get anywhere near these areas.  Parts of the facility were much more spooky than others.  Having said that, these alerts went out to all parts of the facility.

Regarding your training, your drill sergeant omitted one little detail:  if you actually saw the burst flash, it likely was the last thing you would ever see even if you survived the experience.  I kid thee not when I say I hate those goddamned things.

I have another tale regarding a guy I met who was a civilian working in Japan when the Japanese decided they wanted to mess up Pearl Harbor.  I found his stories of life in Japan after that event and after Hiroshima and Nagasaki interesting.  Again, I may have already told the tale.  I can tell it again if anybody cares to hear it.

I'd like to hear it Robert. Thanks

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

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Joe wrote:

I'd like to hear it Robert. Thanks

Me too, please and thank you.

"Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?"
― Tennessee Williams

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This guy was working in Japan as an engineer for one of the big U.S. engineering companies... Halliburton or some similar outfit.  After December 7, 1941, he and his comrades were rounded up and put into work camps.  Since they were civilians they were treated reasonably well.  They were not abused and they had adequate food and access to reasonable medical care.  They were forced to work  for the Japanese, but it was not the arduous work forced on prisoners in other theaters during the war.  They certainly did not suffer the anguish of those in the Nazi work camps... which basically worked the prisoners to death.

The narrator indicated that while they had no freedom during this time, in his words "It could have been a helluva lot worse.  They treated us with civility."

He was living and working about thirty-miles from Hiroshima when the balloon went up on August 6, 1945 and somewhat farther away from Nagasaki on August 9.  He did not see the flash of the Hiroshima weapon, and did not realize until later that "something" unusual had happened.  As one might expect, initial reports of the bombing were scattered and full of contradictory information.  Some time later word came out of an enormous explosion caused by a single bomb.  The nature of the bomb was as yet unknown and confusion reigned supreme.

Then came Nagasaki and the Japanese were forced to realize they were dealing with a weapon of then-unimaginable lethality.   The narrator and his buddies were released very shortly thereafter, and a bit later the first American troops, doctors, scientists, engineers, and other such folks started showing up.  Radiation testing revealed no contamination where the prisoners had been located.  Many of the former prisoners stayed in Japan for some time afterwards and used their engineering skills  to help with the rebuilding of the country.  Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the cities that had been firebombed needed all the help they could get.

The teller of this tale said the whole experience had been almost surreal.  After the attack on Pearl Harbor they had feared the worst, but the enemy they had so feared instead treated them decently and with respect.  After conclusion of the war, they worked with that thoroughly cowed and defeated enemy to rebuild the country and helped turn it into the economic powerhouse and ally it is today.